1 Aug 07 21:58:46 <Pockey> hello verow
2 Aug 07 21:59:56 <verow> hello all, hello Pockey :-)
3 Aug 07 22:00:08 <verow> what's up ?
4 Aug 07 22:03:33 <Pockey> verow give us five mins. we re on the way home :)
5 Aug 07 22:04:13 <Pockey> by the way, there is only one team registered in france
6 Aug 07 22:04:43 <verow> I know, I have to register Linux Azur
7 Aug 07 22:05:05 <verow> it is in my (loooooooooooooooooooong) todo list :-)
8 Aug 07 22:05:58 <verow> I was busy with trips + a stupid guy who did want to give us back to the asso (he took it in February and has just give it back a couple of days ago)
9 Aug 07 22:06:22 <verow> 70 % of the team phoned him + mails + sms daily for that
10 Aug 07 22:06:52 * pockeylam (~pockeylam@116.31.187.100) has joined #sfd-marketing
11 Aug 07 22:07:42 <BLUG_Fred> hey!
12 Aug 07 22:07:45 <BLUG_Fred> sorry i'm late
13 Aug 07 22:08:23 <BLUG_Fred> verow: you're into stupid guys it seems, no?
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15 Aug 07 22:10:16 <verow> hey BLUG_Fred :)
16 Aug 07 22:10:31 <verow> waste of time
17 Aug 07 22:13:47 <BLUG_Fred> verow: yeah yeah c'est c'qu'on dit
18 Aug 07 22:14:00 <BLUG_Fred> verow: j'aime bien te taquiner quand même.
19 Aug 07 22:14:36 <verow> lol*
20 Aug 07 22:16:15 <BLUG_Fred> verow: enfin qui n'a jamais réver d'un blond suave et bête que l'on peut juste jeter par la fenêtre le lendemain?
21 Aug 07 22:16:37 <BLUG_Fred> rêvé (enfin bref.. je suis pas hyper bon en orthographe)
22 Aug 07 22:17:12 <verow> oh oui ! et pas le lendemain sauf si je fais le coup de "chéri je vais chercher les croissants"
23 Aug 07 22:18:09 <verow> je me marre, je fais partie aussi d'une nouvelle asso et ya un Dzeun qui me "drague"... j'attends son arrivée au mois d'octobre pour voir sa tête
24 Aug 07 22:18:23 <BLUG_Fred> verow: haha
25 Aug 07 22:18:24 <verow> quand il réalisera que je peux êttre au mons sa maman :-D
26 Aug 07 22:18:54 <verow> mais je te rassure, les bruns suaves et stupides existent aussi
27 Aug 07 22:19:06 <verow> me suis bien marrée avec un à Paris
28 Aug 07 22:19:09 <BLUG_Fred> verow: il est peut etre branché milf, ou alors la maman c'est son vieux fantasme?
29 Aug 07 22:19:22 <verow> rotflmao
30 Aug 07 22:19:27 <verow> milf ?
31 Aug 07 22:19:36 <BLUG_Fred> verow: mum I'd Like to F...
32 Aug 07 22:19:58 <BLUG_Fred> Mum I'd Like to F...
33 Aug 07 22:19:59 <verow> en France, on appelle les dames plus mûres qui sont avec des Dzeuns des Cougar
34 Aug 07 22:20:13 <BLUG_Fred> ahhh
35 Aug 07 22:20:30 <BLUG_Fred> je suis un peu à la rue au niveau vocab en effet
36 Aug 07 22:20:46 <BLUG_Fred> je vais bientot être qualifié pour le brun stupid alors...
37 Aug 07 22:21:08 <BLUG_Fred> suave par contre... je fais quoi? je m'enduis de yaourt au gout bulgare?
38 Aug 07 22:22:34 <BLUG_Fred> yahourt
39 Aug 07 22:23:34 <verow> lol jamais pensé à enduire un corps de nourriture
40 Aug 07 22:23:39 <verow> mais je trouve l"idée rigolote
41 Aug 07 22:24:00 <verow> en évitant le gaspillage :-)
42 Aug 07 22:24:29 <BLUG_Fred> bah.. sinon du nutella bien placé ca peut en attirer certain(e)s
43 Aug 07 22:24:38 <BLUG_Fred> bon.. ca fait pas avancer SFD tout ca
44 Aug 07 22:24:40 <verow> mouhahahaha
45 Aug 07 22:24:44 <verow> en effet, je vais y penser
46 Aug 07 22:24:49 <BLUG_Fred> alalala.. le dérapage
47 Aug 07 22:24:57 <BLUG_Fred> 2 francais ds le channel et c'est fini
48 Aug 07 22:24:57 <verow> argh déjà les choses sérieuses reviennent
49 Aug 07 22:25:03 <verow> alors sfd ?
50 Aug 07 22:25:07 <BLUG_Fred> ben oui alors!
51 Aug 07 22:25:10 <BLUG_Fred> ben ca avance cool
52 Aug 07 22:25:20 <BLUG_Fred> par contre en France ca traine comme d'hab
53 Aug 07 22:25:22 <verow> cha ché bien
54 Aug 07 22:25:34 <verow> ben on est au mois d'août aussi !
55 Aug 07 22:25:40 <verow> ils sont en vacance
56 Aug 07 22:25:45 <BLUG_Fred> bon j'ai un pseudo volontaire pour traduire, mais il a pas tout compris (enfin j'ai pas hyper bien expliqué)
57 Aug 07 22:25:54 <BLUG_Fred> du coup il a traduit du wiki
58 Aug 07 22:25:58 <BLUG_Fred> donc tout n'est pas perdu
59 Aug 07 22:26:06 <verow> certains sont même privés d'Internet jusqu'à la rentrée par leur copine de geek
60 Aug 07 22:26:11 <BLUG_Fred> tu dois le connaitre d'ailleurs, il est de vers chez toi ds le sud
61 Aug 07 22:26:13 <BLUG_Fred> nullix
62 Aug 07 22:26:14 <verow> je te virerai la fille moi !
63 Aug 07 22:26:23 <verow> ah mon nullix !
64 Aug 07 22:26:24 <BLUG_Fred> ah non?????
65 Aug 07 22:26:27 <verow> un peu que je le connais
66 Aug 07 22:26:28 <BLUG_Fred> grave
67 Aug 07 22:26:34 <BLUG_Fred> donc tu connais nullix
68 Aug 07 22:26:49 <verow> oh là là là ! depuis 2002
69 Aug 07 22:26:53 <BLUG_Fred> ok.. ben voilà.. faut que je le rechoppe en ligne parce que le wiki c'est pas la priorité
70 Aug 07 22:27:00 <BLUG_Fred> il traine ds #chinalug
71 Aug 07 22:27:13 <verow> je connais aussi son épouse, sa fille, et leur chienne
72 Aug 07 22:27:21 <verow> + son frère
73 Aug 07 22:27:21 <BLUG_Fred> je parlais à voix haute l'autre jour et il écoutait.. pour dire
74 Aug 07 22:27:35 <verow> il a été éen Chine
75 Aug 07 22:27:39 <BLUG_Fred> enfin on a progressé sur l'espagnol grave
76 Aug 07 22:27:53 <BLUG_Fred> j'ai écris plein de super code qui m'aide
77 Aug 07 22:28:03 <verow> ah c'est bien ça
78 Aug 07 22:28:06 <BLUG_Fred> oui c'est ce que je me disais un peu
79 Aug 07 22:28:13 <verow> nullix est spécialiste en Java
80 Aug 07 22:28:30 <BLUG_Fred> tu me dirais on a pas encore de java ds le bordel.. pourquoi pas?
81 Aug 07 22:28:31 <BLUG_Fred> ;-)
82 Aug 07 22:28:33 <verow> spa croyable que nous connaissions autant de potes en commun toi et moi
83 Aug 07 22:28:44 <BLUG_Fred> oui..
84 Aug 07 22:28:47 <BLUG_Fred> quand meme
85 Aug 07 22:28:58 <verow> on va finir par se rencontrer en vrai un jour !
86 Aug 07 22:29:08 <BLUG_Fred> et donc j'avais fait une liste des pays ou y a pas bcp d'equipe.. et la france y a 1
87 Aug 07 22:29:19 <verow> Linux Azur ?
88 Aug 07 22:29:20 <BLUG_Fred> donc on peut brainstormer comment améliorer ca
89 Aug 07 22:29:22 <BLUG_Fred> non
90 Aug 07 22:29:28 <verow> ah :/
91 Aug 07 22:29:28 <BLUG_Fred> des mecs à Caen..
92 Aug 07 22:29:32 <verow> ah oui !
93 Aug 07 22:29:33 <BLUG_Fred> les meme tous les ans
94 Aug 07 22:29:48 <BLUG_Fred> oui je pense bien qu'on va se rencontrer un jour!
95 Aug 07 22:29:58 <verow> je peux organiser un truc à Sophia Antipolis pour présenter SFD
96 Aug 07 22:30:08 <BLUG_Fred> donc je pensais à 2-3 trucs..
97 Aug 07 22:30:17 <BLUG_Fred> la traduc de la page d'acceuil un pe
98 Aug 07 22:30:18 <verow> vas-y !
99 Aug 07 22:30:19 <BLUG_Fred> u
100 Aug 07 22:30:29 <BLUG_Fred> je vais m'y mettre et voir avec nullix aussi
101 Aug 07 22:30:42 <verow> pas déjà traduite ?
102 Aug 07 22:30:51 <BLUG_Fred> et y a un bloggueur francais que je suis.. je pensais lui demander de poster une announce
103 Aug 07 22:30:55 <BLUG_Fred> non
104 Aug 07 22:30:59 <BLUG_Fred> le wiki y a
105 Aug 07 22:31:02 <BLUG_Fred> mais pas le www
106 Aug 07 22:31:10 <verow> heum je confondais avec wiki
107 Aug 07 22:31:20 <verow> oué
108 Aug 07 22:31:28 <BLUG_Fred> genre sfd c'est quoi, et les trucs comme ca
109 Aug 07 22:31:31 <verow> je peux aussi faire passer une annonce dans linuxFR
110 Aug 07 22:31:39 <verow> j'y connais deux modérateurs
111 Aug 07 22:31:47 <BLUG_Fred> passé ces 2 trucs je suis un peu à cours pour la promotion
112 Aug 07 22:31:58 <verow> et linuxFR passe en boucle sur Linux Azur
113 Aug 07 22:31:59 <BLUG_Fred> en fait GNOME-FR c'est à moitié mort donc pas la peine
114 Aug 07 22:32:13 <verow> ouais, pas les projets
115 Aug 07 22:32:15 <BLUG_Fred> et les autres communauté ou cannaux je connais pas
116 Aug 07 22:32:24 <BLUG_Fred> framasoft peut etre?
117 Aug 07 22:32:28 <verow> les projets, ils sont dans leurs projets
118 Aug 07 22:32:41 <BLUG_Fred> ouais enfin y a des projects qui ont un peu de surface
119 Aug 07 22:32:55 <verow> Framasoft, dis-moi le texte par mail et je balance à leur équipe (ils m'ont hébergée aux rmll)
120 Aug 07 22:33:08 <verow> et en + je connais bien Alexis
121 Aug 07 22:33:18 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ok.. bon faut que je l'écrire LOL
122 Aug 07 22:33:36 <verow> ben on peut corriger amender derrière mais faut une annonce
123 Aug 07 22:33:52 <verow> ou bien sinon on traduit / adapte l'annonce anglophone
124 Aug 07 22:34:38 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ok ca me fait un todo
125 Aug 07 22:34:46 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ca fait 3 semaines que j'y pense alors
126 Aug 07 22:35:09 * JZA (~jza@189.221.106.20.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) has joined #sfd-marketing
127 Aug 07 22:35:22 <verow> ah je vois que l'été nous fait penser + que travailler :-)
128 Aug 07 22:35:46 <BLUG_Fred> verow: oui.. ca bouille grave! ;-)
129 Aug 07 22:35:51 <BLUG_Fred> so back to English
130 Aug 07 22:36:02 <verow> JZA to make short, we are trying to see how to encourage French teams to be more than one
131 Aug 07 22:36:07 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: bring the discussion here
132 Aug 07 22:36:15 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: we post the logs and people read afterwards
133 Aug 07 22:36:36 <verow> BLUG_Fred who is taking notes today ?
134 Aug 07 22:36:40 <BLUG_Fred> where to post, what to post, how to stimulate and through which channels
135 Aug 07 22:36:45 <BLUG_Fred> the channel is
136 Aug 07 22:36:47 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ;-)
137 Aug 07 22:36:49 <BLUG_Fred> no one
138 Aug 07 22:37:12 <verow> We'll have to translate some of the French discussion
139 Aug 07 22:38:10 * JZA looking for his infamous IRC translating bot
140 Aug 07 22:38:25 <BLUG_Fred> verow: i can make a summary right now
141 Aug 07 22:38:38 <BLUG_Fred> AI: Fred to write an announcement in french and provide to verow
142 Aug 07 22:38:53 <verow> great BLUG_Fred !
143 Aug 07 22:39:07 <BLUG_Fred> AI: Fred to contact the *famous* blogger he knows to publish it
144 Aug 07 22:39:09 <verow> verow to forward announcement to linuxFR
145 Aug 07 22:39:16 <BLUG_Fred> AI: Verrow to contact Framasoft to publish it
146 Aug 07 22:39:37 <BLUG_Fred> and I said I had no to little contact in France
147 Aug 07 22:40:03 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i actually wanted to make a map with dead or countries with only 1 team but didn't have time
148 Aug 07 22:40:20 <BLUG_Fred> right now i only have a list and it's not sorted in alphabetical order
149 Aug 07 22:40:43 <JZA> BLUG_Fred:
150 Aug 07 22:40:52 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: ok good, I can help with that
151 Aug 07 22:41:01 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: with making a map?
152 Aug 07 22:41:02 <verow> cool JZA
153 Aug 07 22:41:46 <BLUG_Fred> verow: JZA has been helping us with the Spanish translation this week
154 Aug 07 22:42:10 <BLUG_Fred> verow: and answered questions on the Spanish mailing list as well.. I speak no Spanish
155 Aug 07 22:42:10 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: with having a list of death countries
156 Aug 07 22:42:12 <verow> good job JZA !
157 Aug 07 22:42:20 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i already have the list
158 Aug 07 22:42:21 <JZA> verow: thanks
159 Aug 07 22:42:46 <BLUG_Fred> i made it this afternoon between 2 scripts and 3 edits
160 Aug 07 22:43:01 <BLUG_Fred> and supplier visit, DVD testing and my lunch noodle dish
161 Aug 07 22:43:06 <BLUG_Fred> ;-)
162 Aug 07 22:43:24 <verow> I speak Spanish :)
163 Aug 07 22:43:31 <verow> but am poor
164 Aug 07 22:43:47 <JZA> I speak spanish but I am not poor ;)
165 Aug 07 22:43:57 <verow> lol
166 Aug 07 22:44:05 <JZA> but nor am I rich
167 Aug 07 22:45:12 <verow> I read the thread [Localization] Menu options Spanish and Spanixh + Italian seem both OK
168 Aug 07 22:45:16 <JZA> well I am thinking on using the FLISOL list to contact countries in Latin america that might not be running a SFD to see if they would want to.
169 Aug 07 22:45:17 <BLUG_Fred> verow: yeah but you get a lot of free T-shirts!
170 Aug 07 22:45:33 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: that's a good idea
171 Aug 07 22:45:42 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: of course they should want to! ;-)
172 Aug 07 22:45:57 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: seems they did a good job documenting the participating GULS and leaving contact emails
173 Aug 07 22:46:20 <BLUG_Fred> AI: Fred to finish the map of empty countries or countries with less than x teams. How much should be X?
174 Aug 07 22:46:30 <verow> For brazil, I have a guy who knows a lot of people there, I'll let him have the announcement to translate and forward to his lists
175 Aug 07 22:47:00 <BLUG_Fred> verow: we have a Portuguese contributor also in our marketing team. I'm sure he'll be happy to help
176 Aug 07 22:47:13 <BLUG_Fred> and I think I have found a volunteer for Canada
177 Aug 07 22:47:15 <BLUG_Fred> (maybe)
178 Aug 07 22:47:16 <verow> yep, good idea BLUG_Fred
179 Aug 07 22:47:28 <verow> Canada, I also have contacts
180 Aug 07 22:47:33 <BLUG_Fred> verow: he is a marketing list frequent poster (Marcos)
181 Aug 07 22:47:39 <JZA> is good that we have a fully localized site now, so they could get organized from it. I would try to also contact high noticeable bloggers to repulish the SDF annoucements.
182 Aug 07 22:47:51 <verow> because of Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre + AFUL
183 Aug 07 22:48:07 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: yes I guess bloggers is good to. we have lots of badges for them to put on their site
184 Aug 07 22:48:43 <BLUG_Fred> very cool.. so that's a few countries that we just have a plan for now
185 Aug 07 22:48:45 <verow> bloggers in France that can maybe relay are Tristan Nitot (Mozilla) + Thierry Stoehr (FOo)
186 Aug 07 22:48:59 <verow> afk for 45 seconds
187 Aug 07 22:49:01 <BLUG_Fred> i think i need to email the marketing list with the full country to target list.
188 Aug 07 22:49:29 <BLUG_Fred> verow: FOo?
189 Aug 07 22:49:34 <BLUG_Fred> FreeOffice.org?
190 Aug 07 22:49:45 <BLUG_Fred> FastOpera.org?
191 Aug 07 22:50:11 <verow> Formats Ouverts (open standards)
192 Aug 07 22:50:21 <BLUG_Fred> j'allais dire FionOuv...
193 Aug 07 22:50:28 <BLUG_Fred> mais je me suis retenu
194 Aug 07 22:50:30 <BLUG_Fred> ok..
195 Aug 07 22:50:46 <verow> http://formats-ouverts.org/
196 Aug 07 22:50:49 <BLUG_Fred> je connais à peine Tristan on s'est rencontré y a quelques années
197 Aug 07 22:50:55 <BLUG_Fred> et l'autre encort moins
198 Aug 07 22:51:11 <verow> moi je le croise chaque année (Tristan) et je le connais assez
199 Aug 07 22:51:37 <verow> quand à Thierry, il m'a filé du taf cette année dans son université (+ ex-prez AFUL)
200 Aug 07 22:51:49 <verow> so I contact them and let you know :-)
201 Aug 07 22:52:19 <verow> I had dinner with Thierry + other guys once again in July
202 Aug 07 22:52:55 <verow> he was my bodyguard to cross the town
203 Aug 07 22:53:30 <BLUG_Fred> brun suave et ... ?
204 Aug 07 22:53:31 <BLUG_Fred> :p
205 Aug 07 22:53:49 <verow> blond, intelligent et en couple ;-P
206 Aug 07 22:54:13 <BLUG_Fred> ok. well we have a start I believe. I think I'll make a summary with the map and ask marketing list to help to do the same in their own territories or nearby ones
207 Aug 07 22:54:23 <BLUG_Fred> it's important to keep the momentum
208 Aug 07 22:54:28 <JZA> verow: are you doing this ust in france or are there communities that you could do outreach in africa or haiti
209 Aug 07 22:54:34 <BLUG_Fred> we're around 260 events at the moment
210 Aug 07 22:55:01 <JZA> verow: I know Waveplace organization which do a lot of OLPC work in Haiti they could be interested on running a software freedom day. But will need to check if they will be around those dates.
211 Aug 07 22:55:06 <BLUG_Fred> Africa doesn't seem very well connected in both people and technology
212 Aug 07 22:55:07 <verow> I can try to make the announcement go though all over the World
213 Aug 07 22:55:27 <BLUG_Fred> wow.. all over the world!
214 Aug 07 22:55:29 <BLUG_Fred> sure!
215 Aug 07 22:55:39 <BLUG_Fred> we had a slashdot article this year at least
216 Aug 07 22:55:39 <verow> because I am Lug "ambassador" for AFUL
217 Aug 07 22:55:43 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: well I am an optimist on 6 degree of separation so someone somewhere knows people anywhere. :D
218 Aug 07 22:55:57 <verow> and I have to write a letter to Worldwide Lugs
219 Aug 07 22:56:30 <verow> so, in my letter, I can include the "sfd announcement"
220 Aug 07 22:56:39 <BLUG_Fred> for User Groups is a great opportunity to do something out of the ordinary and meet new people (=keep the flow of new members coming)
221 Aug 07 22:56:49 <verow> I 'am also Aful representative at RMLL Committee
222 Aug 07 22:56:49 <BLUG_Fred> (and find something fresh for the old ones)
223 Aug 07 22:57:15 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: OLPC also have some hubs in Africa, specially Nigeria, Sudafrica and Kenya
224 Aug 07 22:57:26 <JZA> but all are english speaking countries.
225 Aug 07 22:57:37 <verow> we have a a NIGER AFUL team also
226 Aug 07 22:58:01 <verow> and AFUL is specialized in french-speaking countries
227 Aug 07 22:58:10 <JZA> verow: there you go, thats great.
228 Aug 07 22:58:15 <verow> I also the guy who leads OLPC computers in Africa
229 Aug 07 22:58:57 <verow> + I have a new guy at Linux azur who wants to make a partnership with Poland
230 Aug 07 23:00:24 <JZA> I can contact also my old LUG Romania and see who is interested, they did a good job with Document Freedom Day
231 Aug 07 23:00:26 <BLUG_Fred> verow: we have teams in poland.. not maybe but 1/2
232 Aug 07 23:00:38 <verow> the list of Lugs I 'll send letter is http://aful.org/gul/liste
233 Aug 07 23:03:29 * BLUG_Fred checking
234 Aug 07 23:03:33 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: I have a question regarding the maps, if the pin was missplaced is there any chance to fix it later?
235 Aug 07 23:04:14 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: later as in?
236 Aug 07 23:04:18 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i can fix it
237 Aug 07 23:04:31 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: or else i'm writing the missing part for team leaders to fix it
238 Aug 07 23:04:44 <verow> Il also know all teams regarding OpenOffice + Libre Office
239 Aug 07 23:04:53 <BLUG_Fred> verow: in Africa a few are already registered (maybe 20/30%)
240 Aug 07 23:04:59 <verow> I can forward it to them
241 Aug 07 23:05:22 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: Ok a friend from Monterrey Mexico somehow end up with the pin in Durango
242 Aug 07 23:05:32 <BLUG_Fred> ca fait du monde quand meme
243 Aug 07 23:05:46 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: is there like a permalink for pins? so I can point you to the one with the issue?
244 Aug 07 23:05:47 <verow> yep it makes a lot of people
245 Aug 07 23:05:52 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: yeah.. every year we have a few clicks which are off
246 Aug 07 23:06:01 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: either they send me new coordinates
247 Aug 07 23:06:08 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: or they wait a week or 2
248 Aug 07 23:06:20 <JZA> ok I will send you the original coordinates and the new ones
249 Aug 07 23:06:31 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: you give me the team name, or team leader name
250 Aug 07 23:07:22 <verow> other teams in Quebec, Switzerland ... http://www.agendadulibre.org/
251 Aug 07 23:07:46 <JZA> ok
252 Aug 07 23:09:17 <BLUG_Fred> great
253 Aug 07 23:09:18 <verow> there is also teams in http://www.passageenseine.org/news/pas-sage-en-seine-2011-le-programme-pses11
254 Aug 07 23:09:37 <BLUG_Fred> verow: k,so i need to write this announcement asap...
255 Aug 07 23:09:40 <verow> S/there is/there are
256 Aug 07 23:10:01 <verow> for the begninning of September should be \o/
257 Aug 07 23:10:46 <verow> because I will not contact lugs before (August : people sleeps)
258 Aug 07 23:11:21 <BLUG_Fred> ahhh
259 Aug 07 23:11:38 <BLUG_Fred> verow: okkkk
260 Aug 07 23:13:33 <BLUG_Fred> well i think we're done for today. I'll try to sum up the whole thing and upload the log
261 Aug 07 23:13:38 <BLUG_Fred> thanks a lot for showing up
262 Aug 07 23:13:44 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: sent
263 Aug 07 23:13:51 <BLUG_Fred> i'll return to my other things as well..
264 Aug 07 23:14:15 <verow> cool
265 Aug 07 23:14:21 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: so I wonder if we will have virtual channels
266 Aug 07 23:15:01 <BLUG_Fred> ah.. so it's not over
267 Aug 07 23:15:01 <JZA> FLISOL hosted different events in second life, IRC, and other locations. Last year I did a virtual one from a virtual conference platform.
268 Aug 07 23:15:28 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: team leaders decide. SFI will not engage in manning virtual channels
269 Aug 07 23:15:35 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: too bad
270 Aug 07 23:15:58 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i really think people need to get out once in a while and work on their social skills
271 Aug 07 23:16:25 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: but I think you did a 2nd life event last year no?
272 Aug 07 23:16:47 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: no mine was different
273 Aug 07 23:17:08 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: we had speakers from all over the country and aligned to do their talks from a virtual conference platform
274 Aug 07 23:17:20 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i mean SFD.
275 Aug 07 23:17:31 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i thought you did.. my wrong
276 Aug 07 23:17:46 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: so we had a talk on OpenDocuments, Blender, and FLOSS with ONGs
277 Aug 07 23:18:03 <JZA> and from Mozilla Mexico and the talks where stremed from the platform
278 Aug 07 23:18:25 <BLUG_Fred> i see..
279 Aug 07 23:18:29 <JZA> we did had around 80 people joining in
280 Aug 07 23:18:31 <verow> JAZ I believe you take the "A" for virtual channels ?
281 Aug 07 23:19:02 <verow> as I have no time at all for that
282 Aug 07 23:19:36 <verow> I'am concentrated on physical meetings (I already have 8 events a months with Linux Azur)
283 Aug 07 23:19:47 <BLUG_Fred> same, i'll be busy with an event with 'real' people
284 Aug 07 23:20:19 <JZA> verow: right but I am not trying to get you to organize them. I just want them to be somewhat listed, and for people that cant attend to a regional one, they should consider this alternative.
285 Aug 07 23:20:20 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: so we don't forbid virtual events at all, it's just not what we focus on
286 Aug 07 23:20:41 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: how would you list them?
287 Aug 07 23:20:46 <verow> ok JZA :-)
288 Aug 07 23:21:07 <BLUG_Fred> and they won't show up on the map easily ;-)
289 Aug 07 23:21:21 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: asking if anyone is doing such and list it on the annoucements and such. or at least providing a newflash if anyone is doing such work who to contact for exposure.
290 Aug 07 23:21:27 <BLUG_Fred> or we should have an internet map.. yeah!
291 Aug 07 23:21:44 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: exactly why it would need to be somewhere else in the site beside the map.
292 Aug 07 23:21:49 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: here is my problem: everyone is going to go to FB and think that's cool.
293 Aug 07 23:21:55 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: here is what we did in FLISOL for example
294 Aug 07 23:22:09 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: less than an hour ago i already received a dead blog to post on the planet and a link to an active FB page.
295 Aug 07 23:22:16 <BLUG_Fred> i don't think that's what we should promote
296 Aug 07 23:22:16 <JZA> http://www.installfest.net/FLISOL2011/Mexico/
297 Aug 07 23:22:22 <BLUG_Fred> people want to do it fine
298 Aug 07 23:22:29 <BLUG_Fred> but we don't promote it
299 Aug 07 23:22:54 <BLUG_Fred> they can just get out or their basement meet with 4 friends and go to their village pub to talk to other drunkards there.
300 Aug 07 23:22:54 <JZA> Go to ciudades participantes, and you will see a badge for Virtual Flisol
301 Aug 07 23:22:59 <JZA> and a page within the wiki.
302 Aug 07 23:23:02 <BLUG_Fred> that's still better than doing a FB event
303 Aug 07 23:23:13 <JZA> granted is in spanish but u wont be lost ;)
304 Aug 07 23:23:36 * BLUG_Fred checking
305 Aug 07 23:24:37 <JZA> Medios de transmision list the different channels for the meeting, as well as a streaming server
306 Aug 07 23:24:47 <BLUG_Fred> i clicked on the Celaya one
307 Aug 07 23:25:00 <BLUG_Fred> actually it's just advertising streaming links?
308 Aug 07 23:25:02 <JZA> no it was on the image
309 Aug 07 23:25:04 <JZA> http://installfest.info/FLISOL2011/flisolvirtual
310 Aug 07 23:25:22 <JZA> there where cameraman in 2nd life, streaming from within the virutal event :)
311 Aug 07 23:25:54 <JZA> actually it was more like spycams
312 Aug 07 23:26:31 <JZA> but you had a registration list and all, I think it was nicely organized
313 Aug 07 23:26:46 <JZA> I didnt participate since I was on my own event, but I think it went well
314 Aug 07 23:26:49 <BLUG_Fred> well i can t organize it
315 Aug 07 23:27:13 <BLUG_Fred> and i'm having a hard time to understand how it worked.
316 Aug 07 23:27:55 <BLUG_Fred> though I wouldn't want people to meet on a non-free platform to celebrate Software freedom.. i find it to be a paradox
317 Aug 07 23:28:08 <BLUG_Fred> i know the argumentation both ways
318 Aug 07 23:28:46 <BLUG_Fred> let's say I'm the wrong person to talk about that
319 Aug 07 23:29:05 <BLUG_Fred> maybe some people from the marketing list are willing to jump in though, I wouldn't discard them
320 Aug 07 23:29:30 <JZA> well might be the dot in the scheme, IRC and icecast are both open source and they had channels there too
321 Aug 07 23:29:51 <JZA> is like saying distribution of ubuntu should be ilegal since it has proprietary drivers and flash and other non open technology
322 Aug 07 23:30:10 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: illegal is the wrong term
323 Aug 07 23:30:19 <JZA> well not encourage
324 Aug 07 23:30:45 <JZA> either way there are 2nd life is just one channel not the only one.
325 Aug 07 23:30:49 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: in fact it's a good point, this year we're finally asking team leaders to add a notice with CDs of non-free distro that they distribute
326 Aug 07 23:31:25 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: and yes it's not because you use Linux that using non-free software is suddenly ok or great
327 Aug 07 23:31:37 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: the problem remains the same. we're promoting Software Freedom
328 Aug 07 23:31:58 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: i won't ask anyone to run non-free software
329 Aug 07 23:32:01 <JZA> as I said, 2nd life is only another channel, not the ONLY channel
330 Aug 07 23:32:12 <JZA> IRC and OGV transmissions where also part of the event.
331 Aug 07 23:32:24 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: well as I said find someone into virtual channels
332 Aug 07 23:32:31 <JZA> ok
333 Aug 07 23:32:50 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: we're 3.5 people here and no one is interested (or has the resources, time and motivation to do it)
334 Aug 07 23:32:51 <JZA> I'll ask these guys if they are planning one for SFD
335 Aug 07 23:32:54 <JZA> will let you know
336 Aug 07 23:33:17 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: if you care so much about it, you should somewhat lead or find someone into it.
337 Aug 07 23:33:23 <BLUG_Fred> I hope you understand what I am saying
338 Aug 07 23:33:33 <BLUG_Fred> it's not a no at all.
339 Aug 07 23:33:42 <BLUG_Fred> it's just not what I can do.
340 Aug 07 23:33:58 <verow> it's just a "warning"
341 Aug 07 23:34:04 <BLUG_Fred> and for doing a lot of IRC meetings, I think there is really very little value to have a SFD event on IRC
342 Aug 07 23:34:10 <BLUG_Fred> but that's me
343 Aug 07 23:34:17 <verow> +1
344 Aug 07 23:34:22 <BLUG_Fred> so if someone think SFD on IRC is great.. well we have a channel
345 Aug 07 23:36:21 <JZA> So I guess I can send you any update and trust that you will publish it on the main site right?
346 Aug 07 23:37:06 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: publish as in ?
347 Aug 07 23:37:21 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: we have a lot of things to publish that we don't and we should
348 Aug 07 23:37:47 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: so news publish is on priority/interest/focus basis
349 Aug 07 23:37:59 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: don't mix your own interest and SFD focus please
350 Aug 07 23:38:19 <BLUG_Fred> but there are a lot of channel to create a build up
351 Aug 07 23:38:43 <BLUG_Fred> and if there is a lot of positive feedback and it's within FOSS usage/promotion sure
352 Aug 07 23:40:09 <BLUG_Fred> why would we publish one event (even virtual) versus another one in a big metropolis for example?
353 Aug 07 23:40:19 <BLUG_Fred> it has to make sense
354 Aug 07 23:41:31 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: cuz the attendee from a big metropolis is limited to a metropolis
355 Aug 07 23:41:53 <BLUG_Fred> attendees to a virtual event are limited to people online
356 Aug 07 23:41:54 <BLUG_Fred> geeks
357 Aug 07 23:42:08 <JZA> BLUG_Fred: not all online people are geeks
358 Aug 07 23:42:10 <BLUG_Fred> who usually already have a strong opinion about what software to use
359 Aug 07 23:42:16 <BLUG_Fred> of course not
360 Aug 07 23:42:19 <JZA> and not all geeks are free software people
361 Aug 07 23:42:42 <JZA> at least not yet ;)
362 Aug 07 23:42:52 <BLUG_Fred> of course not
363 Aug 07 23:42:56 <verow> arround me, people who use IRC are all geeks
364 Aug 07 23:43:03 <verow> other do not know irc
365 Aug 07 23:43:04 <BLUG_Fred> but usually they don't change like this
366 Aug 07 23:43:40 <JZA> gamers might be a good target market for example, and most run windows cuz their games play only there.
367 Aug 07 23:44:02 <BLUG_Fred> yes.. and so when games run on Linux we can talk again
368 Aug 07 23:44:02 <JZA> but that doesnt mean that they cant learn about floss software for windows
369 Aug 07 23:44:08 <BLUG_Fred> sure
370 Aug 07 23:44:21 <BLUG_Fred> well.. it's something you care about and should probably explore
371 Aug 07 23:45:15 <BLUG_Fred> SFD is about going out and meeting people you usually don't meet and don't know about free software
372 Aug 07 23:45:27 <BLUG_Fred> you can interpret the 'going out' the way you want
373 Aug 07 23:45:36 <JZA> meeting != fleshmeet
374 Aug 07 23:45:53 <verow> for the notes, I suggest we agree with JZA takes care of irc event ?
375 Aug 07 23:46:03 <verow> and have next topic?
376 Aug 07 23:46:11 <BLUG_Fred> mike is supposed to write articles on people preparing for events. maybe that's somewhere you could advertise assuming you are taking care of one
377 Aug 07 23:46:23 <BLUG_Fred> well we were in open discussion
378 Aug 07 23:46:24 <BLUG_Fred> so no
379 Aug 07 23:51:03 <BLUG_Fred> well no more topic
380 Aug 07 23:51:11 <BLUG_Fred> meeting was over a while ago already
381 Aug 07 23:51:19 <BLUG_Fred> but free discussion is always good
382 Aug 07 23:51:59 <verow> yep
383 Aug 07 23:52:23 <BLUG_Fred> note that with 48 hours a day I could probably do a lot more
384 Aug 07 23:53:48 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: got your email with the new location
385 Aug 07 23:54:06 <BLUG_Fred> loading slowly.. but i update text files so ;-)
386 Aug 07 23:54:16 <BLUG_Fred> i'll just take the coordinates from the file
387 Aug 07 23:56:12 <JZA> ok
388 Aug 08 00:03:30 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: oh yes I think I saw that team. the marker was in the middle of the mountains no?
389 Aug 08 00:03:36 <BLUG_Fred> i was thinking to email them
390 Aug 08 00:05:00 <BLUG_Fred> JZA: done
391 Aug 08 00:05:19 <BLUG_Fred> you'll need (well he also) point your browser to http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/2011coords.txt to force refresh the cache
392 Aug 08 00:05:26 <BLUG_Fred> and the back to the map
393 Aug 08 00:05:36 <BLUG_Fred> or wait until there is a new registration ;-)
394 Aug 08 00:05:47 <BLUG_Fred> every year we have markers way off
395 Aug 08 00:06:01 <BLUG_Fred> sometimes in the middle of an ocean, or even outside of the map (it happened)
396 Aug 08 00:06:18 <BLUG_Fred> I set some control this year, so we don't take markers way off limit
397 Aug 08 00:06:19 <BLUG_Fred> still..
398 Aug 08 00:06:34 <BLUG_Fred> the guys from Shenzhen put their marker in Shanghai this year
399 Aug 08 00:06:50 <BLUG_Fred> i emailed them.. the guy said he was confused.. he clicked somewhere else by mistake
400 Aug 08 00:12:41 <JZA> ok
401 Aug 08 00:12:46 <JZA> I'll let him know