August 7, 2011 Meeting

   1 Aug 07 21:58:46 <Pockey>	hello verow
   2 Aug 07 21:59:56 <verow>	hello all, hello Pockey :-)
   3 Aug 07 22:00:08 <verow>	what's up ?
   4 Aug 07 22:03:33 <Pockey>	verow give us five mins. we re on the way home :)
   5 Aug 07 22:04:13 <Pockey>	by the way, there is only one team registered in france
   6 Aug 07 22:04:43 <verow>	I know, I have to register Linux Azur
   7 Aug 07 22:05:05 <verow>	it is in my (loooooooooooooooooooong) todo list :-)
   8 Aug 07 22:05:58 <verow>	I was busy with trips + a stupid guy who did want to give us back to the asso (he took it in February and has just give it back a couple of days ago)
   9 Aug 07 22:06:22 <verow>	70 %  of the team phoned him + mails + sms daily for that
  10 Aug 07 22:06:52 *	pockeylam (~pockeylam@116.31.187.100) has joined #sfd-marketing
  11 Aug 07 22:07:42 <BLUG_Fred>	hey!
  12 Aug 07 22:07:45 <BLUG_Fred>	sorry i'm late
  13 Aug 07 22:08:23 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: you're into stupid guys it seems, no?
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  15 Aug 07 22:10:16 <verow>	hey BLUG_Fred :)
  16 Aug 07 22:10:31 <verow>	waste of time
  17 Aug 07 22:13:47 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yeah yeah c'est c'qu'on dit
  18 Aug 07 22:14:00 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: j'aime bien te taquiner quand même.
  19 Aug 07 22:14:36 <verow>	lol*
  20 Aug 07 22:16:15 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: enfin qui n'a jamais réver d'un blond suave et bête que l'on peut juste jeter par la fenêtre le lendemain? 
  21 Aug 07 22:16:37 <BLUG_Fred>	rêvé (enfin bref.. je suis pas hyper bon en orthographe)
  22 Aug 07 22:17:12 <verow>	oh oui ! et pas le lendemain sauf si je fais le coup de "chéri je vais chercher les croissants"
  23 Aug 07 22:18:09 <verow>	je me marre, je fais partie aussi d'une nouvelle asso et ya un Dzeun qui me "drague"... j'attends son arrivée au mois d'octobre pour voir sa tête
  24 Aug 07 22:18:23 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: haha
  25 Aug 07 22:18:24 <verow>	quand il réalisera que je peux êttre au mons sa maman :-D
  26 Aug 07 22:18:54 <verow>	mais je te rassure, les bruns suaves et stupides existent aussi
  27 Aug 07 22:19:06 <verow>	me suis bien marrée avec un à Paris
  28 Aug 07 22:19:09 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: il est peut etre branché milf, ou alors la maman c'est son vieux fantasme?
  29 Aug 07 22:19:22 <verow>	rotflmao
  30 Aug 07 22:19:27 <verow>	milf ?
  31 Aug 07 22:19:36 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: mum I'd Like to F...
  32 Aug 07 22:19:58 <BLUG_Fred>	Mum I'd Like to F...
  33 Aug 07 22:19:59 <verow>	en France, on appelle les dames plus mûres qui sont avec des Dzeuns des Cougar
  34 Aug 07 22:20:13 <BLUG_Fred>	ahhh
  35 Aug 07 22:20:30 <BLUG_Fred>	je suis un peu à la rue au niveau vocab en effet
  36 Aug 07 22:20:46 <BLUG_Fred>	je vais bientot être qualifié pour le brun stupid alors...
  37 Aug 07 22:21:08 <BLUG_Fred>	suave par contre... je fais quoi? je m'enduis de yaourt au gout bulgare?
  38 Aug 07 22:22:34 <BLUG_Fred>	yahourt
  39 Aug 07 22:23:34 <verow>	lol jamais pensé à enduire un corps de nourriture
  40 Aug 07 22:23:39 <verow>	mais je trouve l"idée rigolote
  41 Aug 07 22:24:00 <verow>	en évitant le gaspillage :-)
  42 Aug 07 22:24:29 <BLUG_Fred>	bah.. sinon du nutella bien placé ca peut en attirer certain(e)s
  43 Aug 07 22:24:38 <BLUG_Fred>	bon.. ca fait pas avancer SFD tout ca
  44 Aug 07 22:24:40 <verow>	mouhahahaha
  45 Aug 07 22:24:44 <verow>	en effet, je vais y penser
  46 Aug 07 22:24:49 <BLUG_Fred>	alalala.. le dérapage
  47 Aug 07 22:24:57 <BLUG_Fred>	2 francais ds le channel et c'est fini
  48 Aug 07 22:24:57 <verow>	argh déjà les choses sérieuses reviennent
  49 Aug 07 22:25:03 <verow>	alors sfd ?
  50 Aug 07 22:25:07 <BLUG_Fred>	ben oui alors!
  51 Aug 07 22:25:10 <BLUG_Fred>	ben ca avance cool
  52 Aug 07 22:25:20 <BLUG_Fred>	par contre en France ca traine comme d'hab
  53 Aug 07 22:25:22 <verow>	cha ché bien
  54 Aug 07 22:25:34 <verow>	ben on est au mois d'août aussi !
  55 Aug 07 22:25:40 <verow>	ils sont en vacance
  56 Aug 07 22:25:45 <BLUG_Fred>	bon j'ai un pseudo volontaire pour traduire, mais il a pas tout compris (enfin j'ai pas hyper bien expliqué)
  57 Aug 07 22:25:54 <BLUG_Fred>	du coup il a traduit du wiki
  58 Aug 07 22:25:58 <BLUG_Fred>	donc tout n'est pas perdu
  59 Aug 07 22:26:06 <verow>	certains sont même privés d'Internet jusqu'à la rentrée par leur copine de geek
  60 Aug 07 22:26:11 <BLUG_Fred>	tu dois le connaitre d'ailleurs, il est de vers chez toi ds le sud
  61 Aug 07 22:26:13 <BLUG_Fred>	nullix
  62 Aug 07 22:26:14 <verow>	je te virerai la fille moi !
  63 Aug 07 22:26:23 <verow>	ah mon nullix !
  64 Aug 07 22:26:24 <BLUG_Fred>	ah non?????
  65 Aug 07 22:26:27 <verow>	un peu que je le connais
  66 Aug 07 22:26:28 <BLUG_Fred>	grave
  67 Aug 07 22:26:34 <BLUG_Fred>	donc tu connais nullix
  68 Aug 07 22:26:49 <verow>	oh là là là ! depuis 2002
  69 Aug 07 22:26:53 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. ben voilà.. faut que je le rechoppe en ligne parce que le wiki c'est pas la priorité
  70 Aug 07 22:27:00 <BLUG_Fred>	il traine ds #chinalug
  71 Aug 07 22:27:13 <verow>	je connais aussi son épouse, sa fille, et leur chienne
  72 Aug 07 22:27:21 <verow>	+ son frère
  73 Aug 07 22:27:21 <BLUG_Fred>	je parlais à voix haute l'autre jour et il écoutait.. pour dire
  74 Aug 07 22:27:35 <verow>	il a été éen Chine
  75 Aug 07 22:27:39 <BLUG_Fred>	enfin on a progressé sur l'espagnol grave
  76 Aug 07 22:27:53 <BLUG_Fred>	j'ai écris plein de super code qui m'aide
  77 Aug 07 22:28:03 <verow>	ah c'est bien ça
  78 Aug 07 22:28:06 <BLUG_Fred>	oui c'est ce que je me disais un peu
  79 Aug 07 22:28:13 <verow>	nullix est spécialiste en Java
  80 Aug 07 22:28:30 <BLUG_Fred>	tu me dirais on a pas encore de java ds le bordel.. pourquoi pas?
  81 Aug 07 22:28:31 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
  82 Aug 07 22:28:33 <verow>	spa croyable que nous connaissions autant de potes en commun toi et moi
  83 Aug 07 22:28:44 <BLUG_Fred>	oui.. 
  84 Aug 07 22:28:47 <BLUG_Fred>	quand meme
  85 Aug 07 22:28:58 <verow>	on va finir par se rencontrer en vrai un jour !
  86 Aug 07 22:29:08 <BLUG_Fred>	et donc j'avais fait une liste des pays ou y a pas bcp d'equipe.. et la france y a 1
  87 Aug 07 22:29:19 <verow>	Linux Azur ?
  88 Aug 07 22:29:20 <BLUG_Fred>	donc on peut brainstormer comment améliorer ca
  89 Aug 07 22:29:22 <BLUG_Fred>	non
  90 Aug 07 22:29:28 <verow>	ah :/
  91 Aug 07 22:29:28 <BLUG_Fred>	des mecs à Caen..
  92 Aug 07 22:29:32 <verow>	ah oui !
  93 Aug 07 22:29:33 <BLUG_Fred>	les meme tous les ans
  94 Aug 07 22:29:48 <BLUG_Fred>	oui je pense bien qu'on va se rencontrer un jour!
  95 Aug 07 22:29:58 <verow>	je peux organiser un truc à Sophia Antipolis pour présenter SFD
  96 Aug 07 22:30:08 <BLUG_Fred>	donc je pensais à 2-3 trucs..
  97 Aug 07 22:30:17 <BLUG_Fred>	la traduc de la page d'acceuil un pe
  98 Aug 07 22:30:18 <verow>	vas-y !
  99 Aug 07 22:30:19 <BLUG_Fred>	u
 100 Aug 07 22:30:29 <BLUG_Fred>	je vais m'y mettre et voir avec nullix aussi
 101 Aug 07 22:30:42 <verow>	pas déjà traduite ?
 102 Aug 07 22:30:51 <BLUG_Fred>	et y a un bloggueur francais que je suis.. je pensais lui demander de poster une announce
 103 Aug 07 22:30:55 <BLUG_Fred>	non
 104 Aug 07 22:30:59 <BLUG_Fred>	le wiki y a 
 105 Aug 07 22:31:02 <BLUG_Fred>	mais pas le www
 106 Aug 07 22:31:10 <verow>	heum je confondais avec wiki
 107 Aug 07 22:31:20 <verow>	oué
 108 Aug 07 22:31:28 <BLUG_Fred>	genre sfd c'est quoi, et les trucs comme ca
 109 Aug 07 22:31:31 <verow>	je peux aussi faire passer une annonce dans linuxFR
 110 Aug 07 22:31:39 <verow>	j'y connais deux modérateurs
 111 Aug 07 22:31:47 <BLUG_Fred>	passé ces 2 trucs je suis un peu à cours pour la promotion
 112 Aug 07 22:31:58 <verow>	et linuxFR passe en boucle sur Linux Azur
 113 Aug 07 22:31:59 <BLUG_Fred>	en fait GNOME-FR c'est à moitié mort donc pas la peine
 114 Aug 07 22:32:13 <verow>	ouais, pas les projets
 115 Aug 07 22:32:15 <BLUG_Fred>	et les autres communauté ou cannaux je connais pas
 116 Aug 07 22:32:24 <BLUG_Fred>	framasoft peut etre?
 117 Aug 07 22:32:28 <verow>	les projets, ils sont dans leurs projets
 118 Aug 07 22:32:41 <BLUG_Fred>	ouais enfin y a des projects qui ont un peu de surface
 119 Aug 07 22:32:55 <verow>	Framasoft, dis-moi le texte par mail et je balance à leur équipe (ils m'ont hébergée aux rmll)
 120 Aug 07 22:33:08 <verow>	et en + je connais bien Alexis
 121 Aug 07 22:33:18 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ok.. bon faut que je l'écrire LOL
 122 Aug 07 22:33:36 <verow>	ben on peut corriger amender derrière mais faut une annonce
 123 Aug 07 22:33:52 <verow>	ou bien sinon on traduit / adapte l'annonce anglophone
 124 Aug 07 22:34:38 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ok ca me fait un todo
 125 Aug 07 22:34:46 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ca fait 3 semaines que j'y pense alors
 126 Aug 07 22:35:09 *	JZA (~jza@189.221.106.20.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx) has joined #sfd-marketing
 127 Aug 07 22:35:22 <verow>	ah je vois que l'été nous fait penser + que travailler :-)
 128 Aug 07 22:35:46 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: oui.. ca bouille grave! ;-)
 129 Aug 07 22:35:51 <BLUG_Fred>	so back to English
 130 Aug 07 22:36:02 <verow>	JZA to make short, we are trying to see how to encourage French teams to be more than one
 131 Aug 07 22:36:07 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: bring the discussion here
 132 Aug 07 22:36:15 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: we post the logs and people read afterwards
 133 Aug 07 22:36:36 <verow>	BLUG_Fred who is taking notes today ?
 134 Aug 07 22:36:40 <BLUG_Fred>	where to post, what to post, how to stimulate and through which channels
 135 Aug 07 22:36:45 <BLUG_Fred>	the channel is
 136 Aug 07 22:36:47 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ;-)
 137 Aug 07 22:36:49 <BLUG_Fred>	no one
 138 Aug 07 22:37:12 <verow>	We'll have to translate some of the French discussion
 139 Aug 07 22:38:10 *	JZA looking for his infamous IRC translating bot
 140 Aug 07 22:38:25 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: i can make a summary right now
 141 Aug 07 22:38:38 <BLUG_Fred>	AI: Fred to write an announcement in french and provide to verow 
 142 Aug 07 22:38:53 <verow>	great BLUG_Fred !
 143 Aug 07 22:39:07 <BLUG_Fred>	AI: Fred to contact the *famous* blogger he knows to publish it
 144 Aug 07 22:39:09 <verow>	verow to forward announcement to linuxFR
 145 Aug 07 22:39:16 <BLUG_Fred>	AI: Verrow to contact Framasoft to publish it
 146 Aug 07 22:39:37 <BLUG_Fred>	and I said I had no to little contact in France
 147 Aug 07 22:40:03 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i actually wanted to make a map with dead or countries with only 1 team but didn't have time
 148 Aug 07 22:40:20 <BLUG_Fred>	right now i only have a list and it's not sorted in alphabetical order
 149 Aug 07 22:40:43 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred:
 150 Aug 07 22:40:52 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: ok good, I can help with that
 151 Aug 07 22:41:01 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: with making a map?
 152 Aug 07 22:41:02 <verow>	cool JZA
 153 Aug 07 22:41:46 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: JZA has been helping us with the Spanish translation this week
 154 Aug 07 22:42:10 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: and answered questions on the Spanish mailing list as well.. I speak no Spanish 
 155 Aug 07 22:42:10 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: with having a list of death countries
 156 Aug 07 22:42:12 <verow>	good job JZA !
 157 Aug 07 22:42:20 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i already have the list
 158 Aug 07 22:42:21 <JZA>	verow: thanks
 159 Aug 07 22:42:46 <BLUG_Fred>	i made it this afternoon between 2 scripts and 3 edits
 160 Aug 07 22:43:01 <BLUG_Fred>	and supplier visit, DVD testing and my lunch noodle dish
 161 Aug 07 22:43:06 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 162 Aug 07 22:43:24 <verow>	I speak Spanish :)
 163 Aug 07 22:43:31 <verow>	but am poor
 164 Aug 07 22:43:47 <JZA>	I speak spanish but I am not poor ;)
 165 Aug 07 22:43:57 <verow>	lol
 166 Aug 07 22:44:05 <JZA>	but nor am I rich
 167 Aug 07 22:45:12 <verow>	I read the thread [Localization] Menu options Spanish and Spanixh + Italian seem both OK
 168 Aug 07 22:45:16 <JZA>	well I am thinking on using the FLISOL list to contact countries in Latin america that might not be running a SFD to see if they would want to.
 169 Aug 07 22:45:17 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yeah but you get a lot of free T-shirts!
 170 Aug 07 22:45:33 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: that's a good idea
 171 Aug 07 22:45:42 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: of course they should want to! ;-)
 172 Aug 07 22:45:57 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: seems they did a good job documenting the participating GULS and leaving contact emails
 173 Aug 07 22:46:20 <BLUG_Fred>	AI: Fred to finish the map of empty countries or countries with less than x teams. How much should be X?
 174 Aug 07 22:46:30 <verow>	For brazil, I have a guy who knows a lot of people there, I'll let him have the announcement to translate and forward to his lists
 175 Aug 07 22:47:00 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: we have a Portuguese contributor also in our marketing team. I'm sure he'll be happy to help
 176 Aug 07 22:47:13 <BLUG_Fred>	and I think I have found a volunteer for Canada
 177 Aug 07 22:47:15 <BLUG_Fred>	(maybe)
 178 Aug 07 22:47:16 <verow>	yep, good idea BLUG_Fred
 179 Aug 07 22:47:28 <verow>	Canada, I also have contacts
 180 Aug 07 22:47:33 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: he is a marketing list frequent poster (Marcos)
 181 Aug 07 22:47:39 <JZA>	is good that we have a fully localized site now, so they could get organized from it. I would try to also contact high noticeable bloggers to repulish the SDF annoucements.
 182 Aug 07 22:47:51 <verow>	because of Rencontres Mondiales du Logiciel Libre + AFUL
 183 Aug 07 22:48:07 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: yes I guess bloggers is good to. we have lots of badges for them to put on their site
 184 Aug 07 22:48:43 <BLUG_Fred>	very cool.. so that's a few countries that we just have a plan for now
 185 Aug 07 22:48:45 <verow>	bloggers in France that can maybe relay are Tristan Nitot (Mozilla) + Thierry Stoehr (FOo)
 186 Aug 07 22:48:59 <verow>	afk for 45 seconds
 187 Aug 07 22:49:01 <BLUG_Fred>	i think i need to email the marketing list with the full country to target list. 
 188 Aug 07 22:49:29 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: FOo?
 189 Aug 07 22:49:34 <BLUG_Fred>	FreeOffice.org?
 190 Aug 07 22:49:45 <BLUG_Fred>	FastOpera.org?
 191 Aug 07 22:50:11 <verow>	Formats Ouverts (open standards)
 192 Aug 07 22:50:21 <BLUG_Fred>	j'allais dire FionOuv...
 193 Aug 07 22:50:28 <BLUG_Fred>	mais je me suis retenu
 194 Aug 07 22:50:30 <BLUG_Fred>	ok..
 195 Aug 07 22:50:46 <verow>	http://formats-ouverts.org/
 196 Aug 07 22:50:49 <BLUG_Fred>	je connais à peine Tristan on s'est rencontré y a quelques années
 197 Aug 07 22:50:55 <BLUG_Fred>	et l'autre encort moins
 198 Aug 07 22:51:11 <verow>	moi je le croise chaque année (Tristan) et je le connais assez
 199 Aug 07 22:51:37 <verow>	quand à Thierry, il m'a filé du taf cette année dans son université (+ ex-prez AFUL)
 200 Aug 07 22:51:49 <verow>	so I contact them and let you know :-)
 201 Aug 07 22:52:19 <verow>	I had dinner with Thierry + other guys once again in July
 202 Aug 07 22:52:55 <verow>	he was my bodyguard to cross the town
 203 Aug 07 22:53:30 <BLUG_Fred>	brun suave et ... ?
 204 Aug 07 22:53:31 <BLUG_Fred>	:p
 205 Aug 07 22:53:49 <verow>	blond, intelligent et en couple ;-P
 206 Aug 07 22:54:13 <BLUG_Fred>	ok. well we have a start I believe. I think I'll make a summary with the map and ask marketing list to help to do the same in their own territories or nearby ones
 207 Aug 07 22:54:23 <BLUG_Fred>	it's important to keep the momentum
 208 Aug 07 22:54:28 <JZA>	verow: are you doing this ust in france or are there communities that you could do outreach in africa or haiti
 209 Aug 07 22:54:34 <BLUG_Fred>	we're around 260 events at the moment
 210 Aug 07 22:55:01 <JZA>	verow: I know Waveplace organization which do a lot of OLPC work in Haiti they could be interested on running a software freedom day. But will need to check if they will be around those dates.
 211 Aug 07 22:55:06 <BLUG_Fred>	Africa doesn't seem very well connected in both people and technology
 212 Aug 07 22:55:07 <verow>	I can try to make the announcement go though all over the World
 213 Aug 07 22:55:27 <BLUG_Fred>	wow.. all over the world! 
 214 Aug 07 22:55:29 <BLUG_Fred>	sure!
 215 Aug 07 22:55:39 <BLUG_Fred>	we had a slashdot article this year at least
 216 Aug 07 22:55:39 <verow>	because I am Lug "ambassador" for AFUL
 217 Aug 07 22:55:43 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: well I am an optimist on 6 degree of separation so someone somewhere knows people anywhere. :D
 218 Aug 07 22:55:57 <verow>	and I have to write a letter to Worldwide Lugs
 219 Aug 07 22:56:30 <verow>	so, in my letter, I can include the "sfd announcement"
 220 Aug 07 22:56:39 <BLUG_Fred>	for User Groups is a great opportunity to do something out of the ordinary and meet new people (=keep the flow of new members coming)
 221 Aug 07 22:56:49 <verow>	I 'am also Aful representative at RMLL Committee
 222 Aug 07 22:56:49 <BLUG_Fred>	(and find something fresh for the old ones)
 223 Aug 07 22:57:15 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: OLPC also have some hubs in Africa, specially Nigeria, Sudafrica and Kenya
 224 Aug 07 22:57:26 <JZA>	but all are english speaking countries.
 225 Aug 07 22:57:37 <verow>	we have a a NIGER AFUL team also
 226 Aug 07 22:58:01 <verow>	and AFUL is specialized in french-speaking countries
 227 Aug 07 22:58:10 <JZA>	verow: there you go, thats great.
 228 Aug 07 22:58:15 <verow>	I also the guy who leads OLPC computers in Africa
 229 Aug 07 22:58:57 <verow>	+ I have a new guy at Linux azur who wants to make a partnership with Poland
 230 Aug 07 23:00:24 <JZA>	I can contact also my old LUG Romania and see who is interested, they did a good job with Document Freedom Day
 231 Aug 07 23:00:26 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: we have teams in poland.. not maybe but 1/2
 232 Aug 07 23:00:38 <verow>	the list of Lugs I 'll send letter is http://aful.org/gul/liste
 233 Aug 07 23:03:29 *	BLUG_Fred checking
 234 Aug 07 23:03:33 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: I have a question regarding the maps, if the pin was missplaced is there any chance to fix it later?
 235 Aug 07 23:04:14 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: later as in? 
 236 Aug 07 23:04:18 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i can fix it
 237 Aug 07 23:04:31 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: or else i'm writing the missing part for team leaders to fix it
 238 Aug 07 23:04:44 <verow>	Il also know all teams regarding OpenOffice + Libre Office
 239 Aug 07 23:04:53 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: in Africa a few are already registered (maybe 20/30%)
 240 Aug 07 23:04:59 <verow>	I can forward it to them
 241 Aug 07 23:05:22 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: Ok a friend from Monterrey Mexico somehow end up with the pin in Durango
 242 Aug 07 23:05:32 <BLUG_Fred>	ca fait du monde quand meme
 243 Aug 07 23:05:46 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: is there like a permalink for pins? so I can point you to the one with the issue?
 244 Aug 07 23:05:47 <verow>	yep it makes a lot of people
 245 Aug 07 23:05:52 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: yeah.. every year we have a few clicks which are off
 246 Aug 07 23:06:01 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: either they send me new coordinates
 247 Aug 07 23:06:08 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: or they wait a week or 2
 248 Aug 07 23:06:20 <JZA>	ok I will send you the original coordinates and the new ones
 249 Aug 07 23:06:31 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA:  you give me the team name, or team leader name
 250 Aug 07 23:07:22 <verow>	other teams in Quebec, Switzerland ... http://www.agendadulibre.org/
 251 Aug 07 23:07:46 <JZA>	ok
 252 Aug 07 23:09:17 <BLUG_Fred>	great
 253 Aug 07 23:09:18 <verow>	there is also teams in http://www.passageenseine.org/news/pas-sage-en-seine-2011-le-programme-pses11
 254 Aug 07 23:09:37 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: k,so i need to write this announcement asap... 
 255 Aug 07 23:09:40 <verow>	S/there is/there are
 256 Aug 07 23:10:01 <verow>	for the begninning of September should be \o/
 257 Aug 07 23:10:46 <verow>	because I will not contact lugs before (August : people sleeps)
 258 Aug 07 23:11:21 <BLUG_Fred>	ahhh
 259 Aug 07 23:11:38 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: okkkk
 260 Aug 07 23:13:33 <BLUG_Fred>	well i think we're done for today. I'll try to sum up the whole thing and upload the log
 261 Aug 07 23:13:38 <BLUG_Fred>	thanks a lot for showing up
 262 Aug 07 23:13:44 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: sent
 263 Aug 07 23:13:51 <BLUG_Fred>	i'll return to my other things as well.. 
 264 Aug 07 23:14:15 <verow>	cool
 265 Aug 07 23:14:21 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: so I wonder if we will have virtual channels
 266 Aug 07 23:15:01 <BLUG_Fred>	ah.. so it's not over
 267 Aug 07 23:15:01 <JZA>	FLISOL hosted different events in second life, IRC, and other locations. Last year I did a virtual one from a virtual conference platform.
 268 Aug 07 23:15:28 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: team leaders decide. SFI will not engage in manning virtual channels
 269 Aug 07 23:15:35 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: too bad
 270 Aug 07 23:15:58 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i really think people need to get out once in a while and work on their social skills 
 271 Aug 07 23:16:25 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: but I think you did a 2nd life event last year no?
 272 Aug 07 23:16:47 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: no mine was different
 273 Aug 07 23:17:08 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: we had speakers from all over the country and aligned to do their talks from a virtual conference platform
 274 Aug 07 23:17:20 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i mean SFD. 
 275 Aug 07 23:17:31 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i thought you did.. my wrong
 276 Aug 07 23:17:46 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: so we had a talk on OpenDocuments, Blender, and FLOSS with ONGs
 277 Aug 07 23:18:03 <JZA>	and from Mozilla Mexico and the talks where stremed from the platform
 278 Aug 07 23:18:25 <BLUG_Fred>	i see..
 279 Aug 07 23:18:29 <JZA>	we did had around 80 people joining in
 280 Aug 07 23:18:31 <verow>	JAZ I believe you take the "A" for virtual channels ?
 281 Aug 07 23:19:02 <verow>	as I have no time at all for that
 282 Aug 07 23:19:36 <verow>	I'am concentrated on physical meetings (I already have 8 events a months with Linux Azur)
 283 Aug 07 23:19:47 <BLUG_Fred>	same, i'll be busy with an event with 'real' people
 284 Aug 07 23:20:19 <JZA>	verow: right but I am not trying to get you to organize them. I just want them to be somewhat listed, and for people that cant attend to a regional one, they should consider this alternative.
 285 Aug 07 23:20:20 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: so we don't forbid virtual events at all, it's just not what we focus on
 286 Aug 07 23:20:41 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: how would you list them? 
 287 Aug 07 23:20:46 <verow>	ok JZA :-)
 288 Aug 07 23:21:07 <BLUG_Fred>	and they won't show up on the map easily ;-)
 289 Aug 07 23:21:21 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: asking if anyone is doing such and list it on the annoucements and such. or at least providing a newflash if anyone is doing such work who to contact for exposure.
 290 Aug 07 23:21:27 <BLUG_Fred>	or we should have an internet map.. yeah!
 291 Aug 07 23:21:44 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: exactly why it would need to be somewhere else in the site beside the map.
 292 Aug 07 23:21:49 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: here is my problem: everyone is going to go to FB and think that's cool. 
 293 Aug 07 23:21:55 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: here is what we did in FLISOL for example
 294 Aug 07 23:22:09 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: less than an hour ago i already received a dead blog  to post on the planet and a link to an active FB page.
 295 Aug 07 23:22:16 <BLUG_Fred>	i don't think that's what we should promote
 296 Aug 07 23:22:16 <JZA>	http://www.installfest.net/FLISOL2011/Mexico/
 297 Aug 07 23:22:22 <BLUG_Fred>	people want to do it fine
 298 Aug 07 23:22:29 <BLUG_Fred>	but we don't promote it
 299 Aug 07 23:22:54 <BLUG_Fred>	they can just get out or their basement meet with 4 friends and go to their village pub to talk to other drunkards there.
 300 Aug 07 23:22:54 <JZA>	Go to ciudades participantes, and you will see a badge for Virtual Flisol
 301 Aug 07 23:22:59 <JZA>	and a page within the wiki.
 302 Aug 07 23:23:02 <BLUG_Fred>	that's still better than doing a FB event
 303 Aug 07 23:23:13 <JZA>	granted is in spanish but u wont be lost ;)
 304 Aug 07 23:23:36 *	BLUG_Fred checking
 305 Aug 07 23:24:37 <JZA>	Medios de transmision list the different channels for the meeting, as well as a streaming server
 306 Aug 07 23:24:47 <BLUG_Fred>	i clicked on the Celaya one
 307 Aug 07 23:25:00 <BLUG_Fred>	actually it's just advertising streaming links?
 308 Aug 07 23:25:02 <JZA>	no it was on the image
 309 Aug 07 23:25:04 <JZA>	http://installfest.info/FLISOL2011/flisolvirtual
 310 Aug 07 23:25:22 <JZA>	there where cameraman in 2nd life, streaming from within the virutal event :)
 311 Aug 07 23:25:54 <JZA>	actually it was more like spycams
 312 Aug 07 23:26:31 <JZA>	but you had a registration list and all, I think it was nicely organized
 313 Aug 07 23:26:46 <JZA>	I didnt participate since I was on my own event, but I think it went well
 314 Aug 07 23:26:49 <BLUG_Fred>	well i can t organize it
 315 Aug 07 23:27:13 <BLUG_Fred>	and i'm having a hard time to understand how it worked.
 316 Aug 07 23:27:55 <BLUG_Fred>	though I wouldn't want people to meet on a non-free platform to celebrate Software freedom.. i find it to be a paradox
 317 Aug 07 23:28:08 <BLUG_Fred>	i know the argumentation both ways
 318 Aug 07 23:28:46 <BLUG_Fred>	let's say I'm the wrong person to talk about that
 319 Aug 07 23:29:05 <BLUG_Fred>	maybe some people from the marketing list are willing to jump in though, I wouldn't discard them
 320 Aug 07 23:29:30 <JZA>	well might be the dot in the scheme, IRC and icecast are both open source and they had channels there too
 321 Aug 07 23:29:51 <JZA>	is like saying distribution of ubuntu should be ilegal since it has proprietary drivers and flash and other non open technology
 322 Aug 07 23:30:10 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: illegal is the wrong term
 323 Aug 07 23:30:19 <JZA>	well not encourage
 324 Aug 07 23:30:45 <JZA>	either way there are 2nd life is just one channel not the only one.
 325 Aug 07 23:30:49 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: in fact it's a good point, this year we're finally asking team leaders to add a notice with CDs of non-free distro that they distribute
 326 Aug 07 23:31:25 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: and yes it's not because you use Linux that using non-free software is suddenly ok or great
 327 Aug 07 23:31:37 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: the problem remains the same. we're promoting Software Freedom
 328 Aug 07 23:31:58 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: i won't ask anyone to run non-free software
 329 Aug 07 23:32:01 <JZA>	as I said, 2nd life is only another channel, not the ONLY channel
 330 Aug 07 23:32:12 <JZA>	IRC and OGV transmissions where also part of the event.
 331 Aug 07 23:32:24 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: well as I said find someone into virtual channels
 332 Aug 07 23:32:31 <JZA>	ok
 333 Aug 07 23:32:50 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: we're 3.5 people here and no one is interested (or has the resources, time and motivation to do it)
 334 Aug 07 23:32:51 <JZA>	I'll ask these guys if they are planning one for SFD
 335 Aug 07 23:32:54 <JZA>	will let you know
 336 Aug 07 23:33:17 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: if you care so much about it, you should somewhat lead or find someone into it.  
 337 Aug 07 23:33:23 <BLUG_Fred>	I hope you understand what I am saying
 338 Aug 07 23:33:33 <BLUG_Fred>	it's not a no at all.
 339 Aug 07 23:33:42 <BLUG_Fred>	it's just not what I can do.
 340 Aug 07 23:33:58 <verow>	it's just a "warning"
 341 Aug 07 23:34:04 <BLUG_Fred>	and for doing a lot of IRC meetings, I think there is really very little value to have a SFD event on IRC
 342 Aug 07 23:34:10 <BLUG_Fred>	but that's me
 343 Aug 07 23:34:17 <verow>	+1
 344 Aug 07 23:34:22 <BLUG_Fred>	so if someone think SFD on IRC is great.. well we have a channel
 345 Aug 07 23:36:21 <JZA>	So I guess I can send you any update and trust that you will publish it on the main site right?
 346 Aug 07 23:37:06 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: publish as in ?
 347 Aug 07 23:37:21 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: we have a lot of things to publish that we don't and we should
 348 Aug 07 23:37:47 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: so news publish is on priority/interest/focus basis
 349 Aug 07 23:37:59 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: don't mix your own interest and SFD focus please
 350 Aug 07 23:38:19 <BLUG_Fred>	but there are a lot of channel to create a build up
 351 Aug 07 23:38:43 <BLUG_Fred>	and if there is a lot of positive feedback and it's within FOSS usage/promotion sure
 352 Aug 07 23:40:09 <BLUG_Fred>	why would we publish one event (even virtual) versus another one in a big metropolis for example?
 353 Aug 07 23:40:19 <BLUG_Fred>	it has to make sense
 354 Aug 07 23:41:31 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: cuz the attendee from a big metropolis is limited to a metropolis
 355 Aug 07 23:41:53 <BLUG_Fred>	attendees to a virtual event are limited to people online
 356 Aug 07 23:41:54 <BLUG_Fred>	geeks
 357 Aug 07 23:42:08 <JZA>	BLUG_Fred: not all online people are geeks
 358 Aug 07 23:42:10 <BLUG_Fred>	who usually already have a strong opinion about what software to use
 359 Aug 07 23:42:16 <BLUG_Fred>	of course not
 360 Aug 07 23:42:19 <JZA>	and not all geeks are free software people
 361 Aug 07 23:42:42 <JZA>	at least not yet ;)
 362 Aug 07 23:42:52 <BLUG_Fred>	of course not
 363 Aug 07 23:42:56 <verow>	arround me, people who use IRC are all geeks
 364 Aug 07 23:43:03 <verow>	other do not know irc
 365 Aug 07 23:43:04 <BLUG_Fred>	but usually they don't change like this
 366 Aug 07 23:43:40 <JZA>	gamers might be a good target market for example, and most run windows cuz their games play only there.
 367 Aug 07 23:44:02 <BLUG_Fred>	yes.. and so when games run on Linux we can talk again
 368 Aug 07 23:44:02 <JZA>	but that doesnt mean that they cant learn about floss software for windows
 369 Aug 07 23:44:08 <BLUG_Fred>	sure
 370 Aug 07 23:44:21 <BLUG_Fred>	well.. it's something you care about and should probably explore
 371 Aug 07 23:45:15 <BLUG_Fred>	SFD is about going out and meeting people you usually don't meet and don't know about free software
 372 Aug 07 23:45:27 <BLUG_Fred>	you can interpret the 'going out' the way you want
 373 Aug 07 23:45:36 <JZA>	meeting != fleshmeet
 374 Aug 07 23:45:53 <verow>	for the notes, I suggest we agree with JZA takes care of irc event ?
 375 Aug 07 23:46:03 <verow>	and have next topic?
 376 Aug 07 23:46:11 <BLUG_Fred>	mike is supposed to write articles on people preparing for events. maybe that's somewhere you could advertise assuming you are taking care of one
 377 Aug 07 23:46:23 <BLUG_Fred>	well we were in open discussion
 378 Aug 07 23:46:24 <BLUG_Fred>	so no
 379 Aug 07 23:51:03 <BLUG_Fred>	well no more topic
 380 Aug 07 23:51:11 <BLUG_Fred>	meeting was over a while ago already
 381 Aug 07 23:51:19 <BLUG_Fred>	but free discussion is always good
 382 Aug 07 23:51:59 <verow>	yep
 383 Aug 07 23:52:23 <BLUG_Fred>	note that with 48 hours a day I could probably do a lot more 
 384 Aug 07 23:53:48 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: got your email with the new location
 385 Aug 07 23:54:06 <BLUG_Fred>	loading slowly.. but i update text files so ;-)
 386 Aug 07 23:54:16 <BLUG_Fred>	i'll just take the coordinates from the file
 387 Aug 07 23:56:12 <JZA>	ok
 388 Aug 08 00:03:30 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: oh yes I think I saw that team. the marker was in the middle of the mountains no?
 389 Aug 08 00:03:36 <BLUG_Fred>	i was thinking to email them
 390 Aug 08 00:05:00 <BLUG_Fred>	JZA: done
 391 Aug 08 00:05:19 <BLUG_Fred>	you'll  need (well he also) point your browser to http://www.softwarefreedomday.org/map/2011coords.txt to force refresh the cache
 392 Aug 08 00:05:26 <BLUG_Fred>	and the back to the map
 393 Aug 08 00:05:36 <BLUG_Fred>	or wait until there is a new registration ;-)
 394 Aug 08 00:05:47 <BLUG_Fred>	every year we have markers way off
 395 Aug 08 00:06:01 <BLUG_Fred>	sometimes in the middle of an ocean, or even outside of the map (it happened)
 396 Aug 08 00:06:18 <BLUG_Fred>	I set some control this year, so we don't take markers way off limit
 397 Aug 08 00:06:19 <BLUG_Fred>	still..
 398 Aug 08 00:06:34 <BLUG_Fred>	the guys from Shenzhen put their marker in Shanghai this year 
 399 Aug 08 00:06:50 <BLUG_Fred>	i emailed them.. the guy said he was confused.. he clicked somewhere else by mistake
 400 Aug 08 00:12:41 <JZA>	ok
 401 Aug 08 00:12:46 <JZA>	I'll let him know