July 24, 2011 Meeting

   1 Jul 24 21:56:07 <bckurera>	hello guys
   2 Jul 24 21:57:55 <mike_FFSUK>	hey
   3 Jul 24 21:57:57 <BLUG_Fred>	hi
   4 Jul 24 21:58:46 <linuxmaster1>	hello!
   5 Jul 24 21:59:04 <linuxmaster1>	What's agenda?
   6 Jul 24 21:59:08 <bckurera>	are we starting now?
   7 Jul 24 21:59:14 <BLUG_Fred>	we have new people right
   8 Jul 24 21:59:28 <BLUG_Fred>	my clock says xx-1:59
   9 Jul 24 21:59:28 <linuxmaster1>	I am from Omsk, Russia
  10 Jul 24 21:59:30 <bckurera>	hello BLUG_Fred
  11 Jul 24 21:59:36 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: hey! cool!
  12 Jul 24 21:59:52 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: the form with the bug right?
  13 Jul 24 22:00:10 <bckurera>	BLUG_Fred you right :)
  14 Jul 24 22:00:38 <bckurera>	can we find the agnda online?
  15 Jul 24 22:01:19 <BLUG_Fred>	today is mainly promotion, though we can bring in new topic
  16 Jul 24 22:01:24 <pockeylam>	Promotion of SFD registration
  17 Jul 24 22:01:28 <BLUG_Fred>	i see promotion as the most urgent item
  18 Jul 24 22:01:31 *	lmmej (~lmmej@bb220-255-36-131.singnet.com.sg) has joined #sfd-marketing
  19 Jul 24 22:01:35 <pockeylam>	hi all
  20 Jul 24 22:01:55 <bckurera>	think of introducing me first
  21 Jul 24 22:02:12 <pockeylam>	sure, we can spend a bit of time to introduce ourselves
  22 Jul 24 22:02:17 <bckurera>	I am Buddhika Kurera, from Sri Lanka, a Fedora Ambassador
  23 Jul 24 22:02:30 <BLUG_Fred>	considering we have new faces we could redo introduction again until 14:05 UTC and then start at :05
  24 Jul 24 22:02:49 <BLUG_Fred>	i think i also don't know lmmej 
  25 Jul 24 22:02:53 <bckurera>	so this is the first time i m with you in IRC
  26 Jul 24 22:02:55 <lmmej>	Hi all, Brandon here from SG FOSAsg.
  27 Jul 24 22:03:12 <BLUG_Fred>	ahhh.. Brandon. so I know Brandon :P
  28 Jul 24 22:03:15 <lmmej>	Been a while since i've managed to attend the meetings. Was caught up with some work stuff
  29 Jul 24 22:03:17 <lmmej>	=D
  30 Jul 24 22:03:22 <lmmej>	sorry for being MIA for aw hile
  31 Jul 24 22:03:23 <pockeylam>	pockey here, from china, board director and secretary of SFI
  32 Jul 24 22:03:38 <BLUG_Fred>	i'm the wiki secret police 
  33 Jul 24 22:03:46 <pockeylam>	lmmej, it's okay :) we just opened registration, it's good timing to come back ;)
  34 Jul 24 22:03:47 <BLUG_Fred>	also on SFI board
  35 Jul 24 22:03:49 <bckurera>	nice to get to all
  36 Jul 24 22:03:49 <pockeylam>	we need more people to do marketing
  37 Jul 24 22:04:09 <BLUG_Fred>	so agenda in short:
  38 Jul 24 22:04:28 <BLUG_Fred>	1. SFD promotion worldwide: what strategy, who can we ask help from?
  39 Jul 24 22:04:32 <pockeylam>	yeah, maybe i can start with promotion?
  40 Jul 24 22:04:45 <BLUG_Fred>	2. non-free CD notice text content and writing
  41 Jul 24 22:04:45 <pockeylam>	so i did some webbanners
  42 Jul 24 22:04:47 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Promote
  43 Jul 24 22:05:07 <BLUG_Fred>	3. Competition committee (that's an old item)
  44 Jul 24 22:05:23 <BLUG_Fred>	we also need someone to take note if possible
  45 Jul 24 22:05:35 <BLUG_Fred>	each time we pick a new person... 
  46 Jul 24 22:05:40 <BLUG_Fred>	any volunteer?
  47 Jul 24 22:06:02 <bckurera>	i like to go
  48 Jul 24 22:06:05 <bckurera>	if possible
  49 Jul 24 22:06:13 <BLUG_Fred>	to go?
  50 Jul 24 22:06:22 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: you mean to take notes?
  51 Jul 24 22:06:29 <bckurera>	yes :)
  52 Jul 24 22:06:33 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: ah sure..
  53 Jul 24 22:06:38 <pockeylam>	bckurera, here is the page to take note: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm
  54 Jul 24 22:06:52 <BLUG_Fred>	we have a kind of template
  55 Jul 24 22:07:02 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-07-24
  56 Jul 24 22:07:04 <bckurera>	nice refering it
  57 Jul 24 22:07:09 <pockeylam>	bckurera, please use this page: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-07-24
  58 Jul 24 22:07:16 <pockeylam>	create a new page to take the note of today
  59 Jul 24 22:07:20 <pockeylam>	bckurera, thanks!
  60 Jul 24 22:07:49 <bckurera>	i llok i m following from the agenda
  61 Jul 24 22:08:10 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: you can either do it after the meeting, from the IRC log, or in real time
  62 Jul 24 22:08:20 <BLUG_Fred>	don't hesitate to ask question or summary if you missed something
  63 Jul 24 22:08:27 <BLUG_Fred>	or clarification
  64 Jul 24 22:08:41 <BLUG_Fred>	also write down the AI (Action items) for what action and by who
  65 Jul 24 22:08:43 <bckurera>	sure i ll
  66 Jul 24 22:09:25 <BLUG_Fred>	ok..
  67 Jul 24 22:09:26 <pockeylam>	so for promotion, we should focus on registration these days
  68 Jul 24 22:09:27 <bckurera>	can we use meetbot tags
  69 Jul 24 22:09:28 <bckurera>	#action like that?
  70 Jul 24 22:09:46 <BLUG_Fred>	yes.. we talked about installing a bot but never had the time to do it
  71 Jul 24 22:10:08 <bckurera>	ok lets start discussing then
  72 Jul 24 22:10:39 <pockeylam>	so here are some icons: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Promote
  73 Jul 24 22:10:57 <BLUG_Fred>	so we're covering promotion of SFD registration
  74 Jul 24 22:11:07 <BLUG_Fred>	targets are event organizers right now
  75 Jul 24 22:11:26 <pockeylam>	let's blog and "tweet" about the registration, i just blogged about it http://pockey.dao2.com/
  76 Jul 24 22:11:39 <BLUG_Fred>	we're in discussion with 2 other organization for promotional partnership and community leveraging: OpenNIC and Joomla!
  77 Jul 24 22:11:42 <pockeylam>	and help to contact all the other communities of your country?
  78 Jul 24 22:12:02 <BLUG_Fred>	maybe we should try to look at a geographical approach?
  79 Jul 24 22:12:07 <pockeylam>	i sent emails to all over china and taiwan and some other asian countries
  80 Jul 24 22:12:16 <pockeylam>	that i have contacts with
  81 Jul 24 22:12:23 <pockeylam>	and we should all do the same :)
  82 Jul 24 22:12:26 <BLUG_Fred>	like someone is in charge of one region and uses his contacts and influence to spread the world
  83 Jul 24 22:12:42 <lmmej>	I will send the info to the MY guys that I know
  84 Jul 24 22:12:44 <bckurera>	do SFD have a FB page?
  85 Jul 24 22:12:51 <BLUG_Fred>	I can do Asia like pockeylam and France where I have 1-2 contacts
  86 Jul 24 22:12:58 <BLUG_Fred>	haha
  87 Jul 24 22:13:08 <BLUG_Fred>	let me check
  88 Jul 24 22:13:19 <pockeylam>	bckurera, yes, you searched software freedom day
  89 Jul 24 22:13:25 <BLUG_Fred>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/SocialNetworks
  90 Jul 24 22:13:28 <BLUG_Fred>	so yes
  91 Jul 24 22:13:29 <bckurera>	we can use that too
  92 Jul 24 22:13:34 <pockeylam>	but it's not maintained by SFI, it's maintained by a group of people
  93 Jul 24 22:13:39 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: http://www.facebook.com/pages/Software-Freedom-Day/211861492652
  94 Jul 24 22:13:47 <pockeylam>	i tried to contact them to get access, but they ignored me
  95 Jul 24 22:13:49 <BLUG_Fred>	i really forgot who maintains that page
  96 Jul 24 22:13:51 <bckurera>	thanks for links
  97 Jul 24 22:13:53 <pockeylam>	so i keep on putting news there
  98 Jul 24 22:13:55 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: oh really?
  99 Jul 24 22:14:01 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yes, they refused to add me
 100 Jul 24 22:14:10 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: gee..
 101 Jul 24 22:14:15 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, that guy talked to me, but whenever i asked for access, he simply ignore me
 102 Jul 24 22:14:19 <BLUG_Fred>	is there any process to claim a page on FB?
 103 Jul 24 22:14:25 <pockeylam>	it doesnt matter
 104 Jul 24 22:14:33 <BLUG_Fred>	do they communicate?
 105 Jul 24 22:14:42 <BLUG_Fred>	well maybe we should create a new page under our control
 106 Jul 24 22:14:44 <pockeylam>	i dont think so
 107 Jul 24 22:14:48 <BLUG_Fred>	we can take SFD or SFD2011
 108 Jul 24 22:14:56 <bckurera>	that nice
 109 Jul 24 22:14:58 <BLUG_Fred>	SFD might be taken
 110 Jul 24 22:15:00 <bckurera>	no ambiguity
 111 Jul 24 22:15:04 <pockeylam>	u can have more than 1 sfd group
 112 Jul 24 22:15:11 <BLUG_Fred>	i don't use FB so i'm really bling on this domain
 113 Jul 24 22:15:27 <pockeylam>	i also asked them to change the icon, sent them a new sfd icon, they just don't do it
 114 Jul 24 22:16:25 <pockeylam>	anyway, i will try to contact them again this year
 115 Jul 24 22:16:39 <pockeylam>	they should probably change the new logo
 116 Jul 24 22:16:43 <BLUG_Fred>	we will also have ads in 3 or 4 magazines before the event but those will be in August/September
 117 Jul 24 22:16:48 <pockeylam>	if they don't do it, i will create a new fb group then
 118 Jul 24 22:16:52 <pockeylam>	i seldom use fb neither...
 119 Jul 24 22:17:02 <BLUG_Fred>	apart from that i am not very connected in Europe
 120 Jul 24 22:17:07 <BLUG_Fred>	a bit more in the US
 121 Jul 24 22:17:16 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/SocialNetworks
 122 Jul 24 22:17:17 <BLUG_Fred>	anyone feeling like helping with this?
 123 Jul 24 22:17:21 <pockeylam>	here is the social networks page
 124 Jul 24 22:18:02 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK, lmmej, linuxmaster1 ?
 125 Jul 24 22:18:04 <pockeylam>	so what do others think?
 126 Jul 24 22:18:16 <BLUG_Fred>	Russia is a huge territory
 127 Jul 24 22:18:28 <BLUG_Fred>	we had a lot of teams in 2009 and then.. they all disappeared
 128 Jul 24 22:18:31 <bckurera>	it is good if we have ppl from every region
 129 Jul 24 22:18:49 <bckurera>	like LATAM, EMEA, APAC, NA like that
 130 Jul 24 22:18:54 <BLUG_Fred>	I think it was the Sun OpenSolaris communities that did that. we've seen similar phenomenon elsewhere
 131 Jul 24 22:19:02 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: exactly
 132 Jul 24 22:19:03 <lmmej>	Well, I'm not really someone who uses a lot of SN
 133 Jul 24 22:19:16 <bckurera>	later we can break down that for sub sections
 134 Jul 24 22:19:19 <lmmej>	is there a group or some sort in Google+?
 135 Jul 24 22:19:22 <lmmej>	that we can create
 136 Jul 24 22:19:36 <bckurera>	Shall we add this fb thing as an action?
 137 Jul 24 22:19:43 <BLUG_Fred>	I can also tap into the GNOME community, but again it should be more of a partnership and there are more developers than promoters 
 138 Jul 24 22:19:48 <pockeylam>	bckurera, please do
 139 Jul 24 22:20:03 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: i use none, but email is still quite used 
 140 Jul 24 22:20:11 <pockeylam>	lmmej, i m not sure, can you check?
 141 Jul 24 22:20:15 <lmmej>	okay
 142 Jul 24 22:20:17 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: G+ cannot be used for a group I've heard (yet)
 143 Jul 24 22:20:17 <bckurera>	FB group creating for SFD2011 is assigned to pockeylam
 144 Jul 24 22:20:21 <pockeylam>	lmmej, at least i didn't create one, i don't use google+
 145 Jul 24 22:20:21 <lmmej>	let me take a quick look
 146 Jul 24 22:20:29 <bckurera>	#action FB group creating for SFD2011 is assigned to pockeylam
 147 Jul 24 22:20:30 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, my last contributions seemed to go into the /dev/null changelog
 148 Jul 24 22:20:31 <lmmej>	haha i created an account but havent touched it since
 149 Jul 24 22:20:39 <pockeylam>	bckurera, i would rather use a generic term
 150 Jul 24 22:20:43 <pockeylam>	with 2011 :)
 151 Jul 24 22:20:46 <pockeylam>	bckurera, sfd
 152 Jul 24 22:20:57 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: well any idea how to boost SFD registrations in the UK?
 153 Jul 24 22:21:01 <bckurera>	#action FB group creating for SFD is assigned to pockeylam
 154 Jul 24 22:21:08 <pockeylam>	lmmej, i got too many invitation...that makes me feel it's spam...
 155 Jul 24 22:21:17 <pockeylam>	bckurera, thanks!
 156 Jul 24 22:21:21 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: I can provide you with a list of emails from previous year, but all those people *should* be on the announce mailing list
 157 Jul 24 22:21:24 <bckurera>	ok nice
 158 Jul 24 22:21:45 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: how are you connected with other LUGS in Russia? lots of LUGs there?
 159 Jul 24 22:21:53 <BLUG_Fred>	or other FOSS communities?
 160 Jul 24 22:22:18 <BLUG_Fred>	for South America we can probably ping Diego
 161 Jul 24 22:22:43 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: sorry that was meant for linuxmaster1 
 162 Jul 24 22:22:49 <lmmej>	ah okay
 163 Jul 24 22:22:53 <lmmej>	i was confused for a moment
 164 Jul 24 22:22:54 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: buggy fingers
 165 Jul 24 22:22:59 <lmmej>	hehe
 166 Jul 24 22:23:11 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: did you read my comments to lmmej about Russian LUGs?
 167 Jul 24 22:23:21 <bckurera>	I ll post a mail to fedora ML
 168 Jul 24 22:23:26 <bckurera>	i think its ok too
 169 Jul 24 22:23:32 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: thanks
 170 Jul 24 22:23:42 <bckurera>	cool no problem
 171 Jul 24 22:23:45 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: i subscribe only to the test list, so not really relevant
 172 Jul 24 22:24:01 <BLUG_Fred>	i can ping the openSUSE community though maybe
 173 Jul 24 22:24:01 <bckurera>	better use the Fedora Ambassador list
 174 Jul 24 22:24:10 <bckurera>	it is more relevant
 175 Jul 24 22:24:11 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: give me that action item then ;-)
 176 Jul 24 22:24:21 <BLUG_Fred>	#action: fred to ping openSUSE community
 177 Jul 24 22:24:22 <bckurera>	sure
 178 Jul 24 22:24:50 <bckurera>	#action pint openSUSE community about SFD registration is assigned to BLUG_Fred
 179 Jul 24 22:25:06 <pockeylam>	i already put the registration blog post in planet gnome
 180 Jul 24 22:25:10 <bckurera>	#action ping Fedora community about SFD registration is assigned to bckurera
 181 Jul 24 22:25:14 <lmmej>	Well, Google+ has a spark thing which people can "add an interest" to it. It's like say a 'category' to follow - It automatically finds latest news using google's engine if im not wrong. I can upload a link to the spark search for people to add to their feeds.
 182 Jul 24 22:25:25 <pockeylam>	so the gnome communities know about the registration already if they follow the planet
 183 Jul 24 22:25:29 <BLUG_Fred>	so mike_FFSUK, no mood  to talk to your fellows from the UK?
 184 Jul 24 22:25:46 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: maybe you'd prefer to go after France or Spain? ;-)
 185 Jul 24 22:25:49 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I will publicise in the UK.
 186 Jul 24 22:25:59 *	rome_753 (~sergey@188.232.38.222) has joined #sfd-marketing
 187 Jul 24 22:26:07 <pockeylam>	lmmej, nice!
 188 Jul 24 22:26:15 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: if you need some contacts from last year teams let me know
 189 Jul 24 22:26:19 <mike_FFSUK>	Someone has already posted to the UK LUG list but I will do some follow up work.
 190 Jul 24 22:26:34 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: there was a woman quite dynamic I remember... (she struggled with the wiki)
 191 Jul 24 22:26:46 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: oh that's good to know
 192 Jul 24 22:26:52 <mike_FFSUK>	FFSUK and I are going to try to get more SFD events in the UK (again!). :)
 193 Jul 24 22:26:56 <BLUG_Fred>	shall we keep track of where it is announced?
 194 Jul 24 22:27:04 <BLUG_Fred>	we usually have a wiki page for that... 
 195 Jul 24 22:27:05 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I know her.
 196 Jul 24 22:27:07 *	BLUG_Fred searching
 197 Jul 24 22:27:17 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: she was nice I remember...
 198 Jul 24 22:27:29 <bckurera>	BLUD_Fred need permission to create the mm page on wiki
 199 Jul 24 22:27:36 <BLUG_Fred>	and was looking at FOSS from a very practical point of view I felt
 200 Jul 24 22:27:44 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, yes she is and she battles on with pushing free software in difficult times.
 201 Jul 24 22:27:47 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: i need your wiki name
 202 Jul 24 22:27:56 <BLUG_Fred>	which i probably have somewhere
 203 Jul 24 22:27:57 <bckurera>	Buddhika Kurera
 204 Jul 24 22:28:10 <BLUG_Fred>	with space?
 205 Jul 24 22:28:39 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: added
 206 Jul 24 22:28:47 <bckurera>	ok thanks
 207 Jul 24 22:29:37 <BLUG_Fred>	found it! http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Marketing/SitePosting
 208 Jul 24 22:29:48 <BLUG_Fred>	i need to move the 2010 page
 209 Jul 24 22:30:07 <BLUG_Fred>	I also submitted to /. no idea if it got listed
 210 Jul 24 22:30:40 <bckurera>	please note any action item with #action so that i can easily find them :)
 211 Jul 24 22:31:12 <mike_FFSUK>	I am still finding people really into Free Software who haven't heard of SFD. Tell everyone you know about SFD, even Free Software people!
 212 Jul 24 22:32:41 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, nice!
 213 Jul 24 22:34:32 <pockeylam>	so fred is moving the wiki page for site listing
 214 Jul 24 22:34:51 <pockeylam>	do we have anything to add for marketing registration?
 215 Jul 24 22:35:13 <mike_FFSUK>	I can proof read English, if necessary.
 216 Jul 24 22:35:42 *	bckurera has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)
 217 Jul 24 22:35:47 <BLUG_Fred>	we should probably email discuss to ask team leaders to blog and promote as well, and show that posting page 
 218 Jul 24 22:35:58 <BLUG_Fred>	and for ourselves we should follow the last year one at least
 219 Jul 24 22:36:01 *	bckurera (bckurera@175.157.161.54) has joined #sfd-marketing
 220 Jul 24 22:36:10 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, cool! actually if whenever you see any mistake in the website, please do email me to fix that
 221 Jul 24 22:36:37 <pockeylam>	ok i can email the discuss mailing list to ask them to blog / promote
 222 Jul 24 22:36:41 <pockeylam>	i take this action item
 223 Jul 24 22:37:24 <bckurera>	#action Email the discuss mailing list to ask them to blog/promote taken by pockeylam
 224 Jul 24 22:38:04 <BLUG_Fred>	and new siteposting page available.. all clean
 225 Jul 24 22:38:04 <mike_FFSUK>	bckurera, are you going to process the meeting logs?
 226 Jul 24 22:38:11 <BLUG_Fred>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Marketing/SitePosting
 227 Jul 24 22:38:27 <bckurera>	i just created the mm page mike_FFSUK
 228 Jul 24 22:38:48 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, noted
 229 Jul 24 22:39:03 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: can you write English?
 230 Jul 24 22:39:34 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, yes! :p
 231 Jul 24 22:40:02 <BLUG_Fred>	so we've been listed on Slashdot by the way
 232 Jul 24 22:40:20 <mike_FFSUK>	\o/
 233 Jul 24 22:41:00 <pockeylam>	wowwowow
 234 Jul 24 22:41:08 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, excellent!
 235 Jul 24 22:41:38 <BLUG_Fred>	last year they didn't publish my submission
 236 Jul 24 22:41:50 <BLUG_Fred>	and we'll do another one the day before I guess.. for people to attend
 237 Jul 24 22:41:52 <pockeylam>	by the way, this year, our goodies are better than ever :)
 238 Jul 24 22:42:15 <BLUG_Fred>	I like the 1st comment: "damn hippies and their open source software.... haven't we learned by now that closed source is much better?"
 239 Jul 24 22:42:25 <pockeylam>	we have each pack a banner and ~10 tshirt labels on top of tshirts, stickers, balloons and dvds
 240 Jul 24 22:42:58 <lmmej>	pockeylam: sounds good =)
 241 Jul 24 22:43:44 <BLUG_Fred>	well the /. post probably got us the Joomla! contact.. that's what I thought and hadn't check.
 242 Jul 24 22:43:45 <bckurera>	great work so far
 243 Jul 24 22:43:47 <BLUG_Fred>	it's a good one
 244 Jul 24 22:44:00 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I like that comment too. :)
 245 Jul 24 22:44:01 <bckurera>	meeting munites are online :)
 246 Jul 24 22:44:11 <bckurera>	#link http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-07-24
 247 Jul 24 22:44:16 <pockeylam>	i m reading the comments :)
 248 Jul 24 22:44:36 <BLUG_Fred>	i'd like to work on slides/theme/ideas for teams in August
 249 Jul 24 22:44:46 <mike_FFSUK>	pockeylam, it's great to see the goodies back and stronger.
 250 Jul 24 22:44:47 <BLUG_Fred>	I am going to ask FSF and FSFE to help as well
 251 Jul 24 22:45:03 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, yep!
 252 Jul 24 22:45:04 <BLUG_Fred>	but we should try to build an easy to guide presentation/workshop pack
 253 Jul 24 22:45:12 <mike_FFSUK>	pockeylam, I want my T-shirt! :)
 254 Jul 24 22:45:21 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, haha u will have yours!
 255 Jul 24 22:45:45 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so we're done with promotion?
 256 Jul 24 22:45:56 <BLUG_Fred>	or any other idea/site to suggest?
 257 Jul 24 22:46:07 <lmmej>	btw pockeylam, for the registration what does the num of ubuntu CDs indicate?
 258 Jul 24 22:46:10 <pockeylam>	2. non-free CD notice text content and writing
 259 Jul 24 22:46:17 <pockeylam>	3. Competition committee (that's an old item)
 260 Jul 24 22:46:28 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: well it says how many you will get?
 261 Jul 24 22:46:36 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: i'm not sure I understand the question
 262 Jul 24 22:46:39 <pockeylam>	lmmej, it means that how many ubuntu cds do you want to receive
 263 Jul 24 22:46:55 <lmmej>	ah okay, nothing related to the other items in the pack yea?
 264 Jul 24 22:47:00 <pockeylam>	lmmej, as canonical sponsonered their cds
 265 Jul 24 22:47:10 <BLUG_Fred>	lmmej: unrelated, 2 different shipments
 266 Jul 24 22:47:11 <pockeylam>	lmmej, no, nothing related
 267 Jul 24 22:47:26 <pockeylam>	for the first registered 200 teams, you will have the same pack :)
 268 Jul 24 22:47:38 <pockeylam>	from SFI
 269 Jul 24 22:47:45 <lmmej>	Ah alright. Thanks.
 270 Jul 24 22:47:59 <BLUG_Fred>	so next item is the notice in non-free CDs
 271 Jul 24 22:48:03 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, are you going to do my idea where we have a blog of people preparing their SFD event?
 272 Jul 24 22:48:13 <BLUG_Fred>	do people need some background on the issue?
 273 Jul 24 22:48:45 <mike_FFSUK>	pockeylam, when does '2.' need to be done by?
 274 Jul 24 22:48:45 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: yes.. we should do it. I'm a bit swamped now, but it's written. would you like to lead the project?
 275 Jul 24 22:48:58 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: and blog directly on sfd.org?
 276 Jul 24 22:49:23 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, could do.
 277 Jul 24 22:49:41 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: that'd be great!
 278 Jul 24 22:49:54 <bckurera>	shound action :)
 279 Jul 24 22:50:01 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: i have a few names worth giving you
 280 Jul 24 22:50:11 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, 2?
 281 Jul 24 22:50:12 <BLUG_Fred>	old organizers who did reports before and like to share
 282 Jul 24 22:50:21 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: so the baby is yours!
 283 Jul 24 22:50:32 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: are you familiar with Joomla!
 284 Jul 24 22:50:34 <mike_FFSUK>	mike_FFSUK, !!!
 285 Jul 24 22:50:44 <mike_FFSUK>	mike_FFSUK, no.
 286 Jul 24 22:50:57 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: with html?
 287 Jul 24 22:51:00 <mike_FFSUK>	mike_FFSUK, yes.
 288 Jul 24 22:51:09 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, yes.
 289 Jul 24 22:51:10 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: ok so it should be simple.
 290 Jul 24 22:51:21 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I can do it!
 291 Jul 24 22:51:29 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: i'll set up an account for you and will tell you where to find the few buttons
 292 Jul 24 22:51:58 <BLUG_Fred>	#action : fred to create a sfd.org account for mike_FFSUK to blog
 293 Jul 24 22:52:18 <BLUG_Fred>	i think i had an old AI from last time to create a moderator group to help with the wiki
 294 Jul 24 22:52:20 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, send me an email with details and pointers.
 295 Jul 24 22:52:22 <BLUG_Fred>	which i didn't do 
 296 Jul 24 22:52:27 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: i will
 297 Jul 24 22:52:41 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. so for the notice in non-free CDs...
 298 Jul 24 22:52:43 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, when does  <<2. non-free CD notice text content and writing>> need to be done?
 299 Jul 24 22:52:57 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: next week i'd say
 300 Jul 24 22:53:01 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, mike is asking when is the deadline
 301 Jul 24 22:53:05 <BLUG_Fred>	RMS just sent me a reminder
 302 Jul 24 22:53:13 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, next week :)
 303 Jul 24 22:53:16 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: ah.. i missed that one, sorry mike_FFSUK 
 304 Jul 24 22:53:41 <BLUG_Fred>	i think we need to write the notice and see how to best promote it among teams to get results
 305 Jul 24 22:54:02 <pockeylam>	just one very short sentence?
 306 Jul 24 22:54:08 <BLUG_Fred>	i see that really as the same challenge from converting windows users to Linux
 307 Jul 24 22:54:16 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: i think a bit more
 308 Jul 24 22:54:28 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I will take that on but poke me for progress!
 309 Jul 24 22:54:35 <pockeylam>	similar to: "it contains non-free software"
 310 Jul 24 22:54:43 <BLUG_Fred>	we have a full CD size space, let's use it to make it sound important and desirable as a goal for all 
 311 Jul 24 22:54:50 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: the notice?
 312 Jul 24 22:54:53 <BLUG_Fred>	ok
 313 Jul 24 22:55:02 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, yes, give me the notice.
 314 Jul 24 22:55:04 <pockeylam>	mike_FFSUK, nice!
 315 Jul 24 22:55:17 <BLUG_Fred>	you all noticed i introduced the 'concept' in the registration opening announcement
 316 Jul 24 22:55:40 <mike_FFSUK>	I have thought about this a lot being the chair of a FS group that has given out Ubuntu CDs.
 317 Jul 24 22:55:45 <BLUG_Fred>	#action: mike to draft the notice to be put in non-free distro CD by team organizers
 318 Jul 24 22:55:53 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: ahhhh
 319 Jul 24 22:56:06 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: and it keeps you awake at night?
 320 Jul 24 22:56:13 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, yes! :(
 321 Jul 24 22:56:20 <BLUG_Fred>	rome_753: hi! we forgot to ask you to introduce yourself
 322 Jul 24 22:56:48 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: bah.. they contribute in their own way
 323 Jul 24 22:57:09 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: GNOME dev miss the time when all Ubuntu users where using pre-release software to help testing
 324 Jul 24 22:57:28 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: it was a lot of users.. and now they're gone
 325 Jul 24 22:58:02 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, it is a very tragic turn of events. :(
 326 Jul 24 22:58:24 <mike_FFSUK>	How many words can the notice be?
 327 Jul 24 22:59:06 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: well.. take a CD and see whether we use only one side, or folder paper
 328 Jul 24 22:59:18 <BLUG_Fred>	i think double sided is more complicated for team organized to print them
 329 Jul 24 22:59:39 <BLUG_Fred>	but folded should be ok if we can't fit it on 1 CD size
 330 Jul 24 22:59:43 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: what do you think?
 331 Jul 24 22:59:44 <mike_FFSUK>	I won't have it too long or people won't read but I have an idea what to say.
 332 Jul 24 22:59:51 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: right
 333 Jul 24 23:00:08 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: but I found that just one sentence can make it easily misinterpreted 
 334 Jul 24 23:00:11 <BLUG_Fred>	or sound extreme
 335 Jul 24 23:00:20 <mike_FFSUK>	I think a few sentences is enough. I *do* want people to read it and think about it. Not like 10 pages on small print!
 336 Jul 24 23:00:45 <rome_753>	BLUG_Fred: Hi! I'm from Russia
 337 Jul 24 23:00:47 <mike_FFSUK>	Or just "This is not Free Software!"
 338 Jul 24 23:00:51 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: at the same time if you compare this with warnings and now photos on cigarette packs.. :(
 339 Jul 24 23:01:07 <BLUG_Fred>	rome_753: oh! a buddy from linuxmaster1 then?
 340 Jul 24 23:01:28 <mike_FFSUK>	"Properitiery software causes cancer" ?
 341 Jul 24 23:01:38 <BLUG_Fred>	rome_753: Omsk or SarLUG?
 342 Jul 24 23:01:41 <bckurera>	we cannot say
 343 Jul 24 23:01:50 <bckurera>	'not a FREE software''
 344 Jul 24 23:01:52 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: yes.. and then a photo of Steve Balmer
 345 Jul 24 23:01:58 <BLUG_Fred>	that's how you're gonna end up
 346 Jul 24 23:01:58 <bckurera>	FREE means FREEDOM
 347 Jul 24 23:02:06 <bckurera>	so it violates all our vision os be careful
 348 Jul 24 23:02:12 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: He is from Omsk LUG
 349 Jul 24 23:02:22 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: you're from SarLUG?
 350 Jul 24 23:02:37 <mike_FFSUK>	"Proprietary software harms your baby" ?
 351 Jul 24 23:02:39 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1, rome_753: any idea how to boost registrations for SFD in Russia?
 352 Jul 24 23:03:14 <bckurera>	shall we open a short thread on ML to get ideas
 353 Jul 24 23:03:29 <bckurera>	I think we can get bunch of ideas
 354 Jul 24 23:03:34 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: mike_FFSUK is taking the baby, so i'll let him manage
 355 Jul 24 23:03:38 <bckurera>	i mean ideas on such statements
 356 Jul 24 23:03:49 <pockeylam>	bckurera, ask mike_FFSUK :)
 357 Jul 24 23:03:53 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: my experience is that ml for those topics are very sensitive
 358 Jul 24 23:04:17 <bckurera>	seems great then, its ok floor to mike :)
 359 Jul 24 23:04:33 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: mike_FFSUK and I were just kidding about the text
 360 Jul 24 23:04:42 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: The best way to make information in specialized jabber- and IRC- conferences
 361 Jul 24 23:05:01 <BLUG_Fred>	the sensitive part is to say that it is not Free Software when it's true 
 362 Jul 24 23:05:10 <mike_FFSUK>	I will write the message in a few clear sentences.
 363 Jul 24 23:05:18 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: ah really?
 364 Jul 24 23:05:30 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: and resourses like welinux, ubuntu.ru etc
 365 Jul 24 23:05:34 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I will try to get the balance right.
 366 Jul 24 23:05:36 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: without upsetting our sponsors 
 367 Jul 24 23:05:39 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 368 Jul 24 23:06:04 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: can you take care of this, maybe with rome_753 ? 50/50
 369 Jul 24 23:06:10 <BLUG_Fred>	or 60/40 ;-)
 370 Jul 24 23:06:17 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, Ubuntu would like to be 100% Free Software, I think.
 371 Jul 24 23:06:58 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: OK!
 372 Jul 24 23:07:03 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: it's a long debate and out of the scope.
 373 Jul 24 23:07:09 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: great!
 374 Jul 24 23:07:25 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: another #action for linuxmaster1 and rome_753 
 375 Jul 24 23:07:46 <bckurera>	what is the action body?
 376 Jul 24 23:07:56 <BLUG_Fred>	they will set up an IRC and jabber conference to promote SFD and contact ubuntu.ru and welinux and other Russian sites
 377 Jul 24 23:08:13 <BLUG_Fred>	the objective is to boost registration for SFD in Russia
 378 Jul 24 23:08:18 <bckurera>	if the license align with GNU/ OSI then we can get it as a FREEE software
 379 Jul 24 23:08:40 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: maybe we set a target and if you reach it I come to Russia drinking Vodka with you (and dying... ;-) )
 380 Jul 24 23:08:44 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, is there non-free software on the CDs or is it downloaded?
 381 Jul 24 23:08:56 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: the kernel has non free bits
 382 Jul 24 23:08:58 <BLUG_Fred>	so yes
 383 Jul 24 23:09:03 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: ^____^
 384 Jul 24 23:09:04 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, k
 385 Jul 24 23:09:07 <BLUG_Fred>	i think Ubuntu one is also installed by default
 386 Jul 24 23:09:28 <BLUG_Fred>	that's the 2 things I can think of
 387 Jul 24 23:09:46 <BLUG_Fred>	and the Ubuntu software center offers non-free software for install
 388 Jul 24 23:09:55 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, client side is FS but the server side isn't. Right?
 389 Jul 24 23:10:01 <BLUG_Fred>	but it shouldn t be so targeted at Ubuntu
 390 Jul 24 23:10:13 <BLUG_Fred>	I think all major distro suffer from the same disease
 391 Jul 24 23:10:22 <BLUG_Fred>	openSUSE, Fedora, etc
 392 Jul 24 23:10:28 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: right
 393 Jul 24 23:10:35 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: euh.. not sure
 394 Jul 24 23:10:37 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, there is a difference between the FSF's Free System Distribution Guide lines and the Free Software Definition.
 395 Jul 24 23:10:44 <BLUG_Fred>	not sure whether the client is FS
 396 Jul 24 23:11:34 <bckurera>	this seems to be a very long n sensitive discussion :)
 397 Jul 24 23:11:44 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: Client-side: GPLv3
 398 Jul 24 23:12:21 <mike_FFSUK>	bckurera, yes.
 399 Jul 24 23:12:29 <BLUG_Fred>	source: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntuone-control-tower/ubuntuone-client/trunk/annotate/head%3A/ubuntuone/logger.py
 400 Jul 24 23:12:38 <BLUG_Fred>	which i got from wikipedia
 401 Jul 24 23:12:59 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: so.. it seems mainly the kernel bits then
 402 Jul 24 23:13:25 <BLUG_Fred>	flash should be a target as well, without specifically naming it
 403 Jul 24 23:13:45 <BLUG_Fred>	it's the one piece of software that every Linux user install without even thinking about it..
 404 Jul 24 23:13:47 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, is that in the default install?
 405 Jul 24 23:13:51 <BLUG_Fred>	(I run Gnash)
 406 Jul 24 23:13:59 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, me too.
 407 Jul 24 23:14:01 <BLUG_Fred>	Flash needs to be downloaded
 408 Jul 24 23:14:17 <BLUG_Fred>	and FF on Ubuntu used to ask people to chose between both
 409 Jul 24 23:14:30 <BLUG_Fred>	i meant the 'other' Linux users ;-)
 410 Jul 24 23:14:48 <BLUG_Fred>	i run Virtualbox closed source edition... for the USB support
 411 Jul 24 23:14:52 *	BLUG_Fred hides
 412 Jul 24 23:15:11 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, use kvm!
 413 Jul 24 23:15:14 <BLUG_Fred>	i think i run it once a month maybe, like 2 minutes and close it back.. still
 414 Jul 24 23:15:16 <BLUG_Fred>	sometimes less
 415 Jul 24 23:15:37 <BLUG_Fred>	i have an old XP image which i kept over the years...
 416 Jul 24 23:15:51 <BLUG_Fred>	it's too much trouble and I seldom use it
 417 Jul 24 23:15:58 <BLUG_Fred>	so i almost don't feel bad about it
 418 Jul 24 23:16:02 <BLUG_Fred>	i could live without it
 419 Jul 24 23:16:10 <BLUG_Fred>	it's 'luxury'
 420 Jul 24 23:16:27 <BLUG_Fred>	my TV remote control code is proprietary ;-)
 421 Jul 24 23:16:34 <BLUG_Fred>	i still use it
 422 Jul 24 23:17:09 <BLUG_Fred>	but yeah.. the idea is to inform people and make them realize that even on Linux you can find some proprietary stuff
 423 Jul 24 23:17:25 <mike_FFSUK>	BLUG_Fred, I forgive you. Chant the Free Software song 10 times.
 424 Jul 24 23:17:27 <BLUG_Fred>	software Freedom doesn't stop when you live the Windows/Mac world
 425 Jul 24 23:17:33 <BLUG_Fred>	haha
 426 Jul 24 23:17:46 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: hey we can a Software Freedom Day song now!
 427 Jul 24 23:18:14 <BLUG_Fred>	i'm waiting for the license confirmation but that's pretty cool (especially if they go CC-BY or CC-BY-SA
 428 Jul 24 23:19:28 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: We going to make focus on education and entertainment. Will be there some ideas to promote Free Software in schools and kindergartens?
 429 Jul 24 23:20:22 <mike_FFSUK>	linuxmaster1, people are free to do that in their events. We had stuff on moodle, for instance.
 430 Jul 24 23:20:33 <pockeylam>	two of the dvds, the free culture and opendisc contain some software / contents
 431 Jul 24 23:20:37 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: we can work on that
 432 Jul 24 23:20:47 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: pockeylam and i did quite some work in that area
 433 Jul 24 23:20:54 <pockeylam>	linuxmaster1, two of the dvds, the free culture and opendisc contain some software / contents that will be useful in schools and kindergarden
 434 Jul 24 23:21:17 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: unfortunately we have a lot of stuff in Chinese only
 435 Jul 24 23:21:17 <lmmej>	linuxmaster1: We did a workshop for one of the school in SG, where we used the OpenCD to let the students play around with Open Source education games
 436 Jul 24 23:21:29 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: can we continue this discussion on the mailing list?
 437 Jul 24 23:21:46 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: wow... Why chinese???
 438 Jul 24 23:22:06 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_FFSUK: Matt Oquist our treasurer and founder does a lot of work in moodle too
 439 Jul 24 23:22:15 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: because it was for Chinese schools
 440 Jul 24 23:22:28 <pockeylam>	linuxmaster1, there are some games, animations , u can use them in kindergartens
 441 Jul 24 23:22:53 <BLUG_Fred>	Free Software? Nice. Will they be handing out copies of Photoshop, Maya, or Lightwave by chance?
 442 Jul 24 23:22:55 <BLUG_Fred>	haha
 443 Jul 24 23:22:59 <pockeylam>	linuxmaster1, while u can do a presentation to the teachers or parents if the kids are too young to understand software
 444 Jul 24 23:22:59 <linuxmaster1>	BLUG_Fred: I was thinking in China there is only illegal Widndows...
 445 Jul 24 23:23:07 <BLUG_Fred>	linuxmaster1: well.. almost
 446 Jul 24 23:23:21 <BLUG_Fred>	poor school can't even afford illegal windows ;-)
 447 Jul 24 23:23:44 <bckurera>	that seems to be a good point
 448 Jul 24 23:23:51 <BLUG_Fred>	so competition committee...
 449 Jul 24 23:24:03 <bckurera>	3rd point right
 450 Jul 24 23:24:07 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
 451 Jul 24 23:24:21 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: what did we need to finalized? rules and finding a committee from the volunteers who actually don't participate
 452 Jul 24 23:24:36 <pockeylam>	anybody is interested in joining this committee to help to rank the submissions for 2011?
 453 Jul 24 23:25:22 <pockeylam>	it's very interesting to review events reports, think about it :)
 454 Jul 24 23:25:28 <bckurera>	we can contact the list of potential committee members and see their interest
 455 Jul 24 23:25:31 <pockeylam>	it's only 1 or 2 days of work
 456 Jul 24 23:25:45 <BLUG_Fred>	ok maybe we can email this to the marketing list then.. see if we have some people interested in driving this project
 457 Jul 24 23:25:48 <bckurera>	just kind of an invitation
 458 Jul 24 23:25:51 <pockeylam>	ok
 459 Jul 24 23:25:54 <pockeylam>	sure!
 460 Jul 24 23:26:13 <bckurera>	whose action is this?
 461 Jul 24 23:26:24 <BLUG_Fred>	#action to BLUG_Fred to introduce the competion committee to marketing list
 462 Jul 24 23:26:32 <BLUG_Fred>	and find a project leader :p
 463 Jul 24 23:26:49 <pockeylam>	i m the project leader
 464 Jul 24 23:26:57 <pockeylam>	so let me send the email then :)
 465 Jul 24 23:27:00 <BLUG_Fred>	oh right.. should be someone from the board at least
 466 Jul 24 23:27:04 <bckurera>	good
 467 Jul 24 23:27:06 <BLUG_Fred>	else why do we have a board....
 468 Jul 24 23:27:08 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 469 Jul 24 23:27:15 <pockeylam>	#action to pockeylam to introduce the competition committee to marketing list
 470 Jul 24 23:27:20 <BLUG_Fred>	well any other topic people would like to discuss?
 471 Jul 24 23:28:15 <bckurera>	introduce the competition list means
 472 Jul 24 23:28:31 <bckurera>	the ppl not yet finalized right?
 473 Jul 24 23:28:47 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: it's too get other people than the current SFI board to vote
 474 Jul 24 23:29:04 <BLUG_Fred>	(and review best events, maybe have more competition types?_
 475 Jul 24 23:29:05 <bckurera>	yup at the moment we have 3 sugessions
 476 Jul 24 23:29:24 <BLUG_Fred>	current voters are all SFI board
 477 Jul 24 23:29:34 *	mike_FFSUK has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)
 478 Jul 24 23:29:39 <bckurera>	#link http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
 479 Jul 24 23:29:48 <bckurera>	here we have 3 sugessions
 480 Jul 24 23:29:53 <bckurera>	so we need to find 2 more
 481 Jul 24 23:29:54 <bckurera>	rught?
 482 Jul 24 23:30:07 <bckurera>	sorry right?
 483 Jul 24 23:31:01 <pockeylam>	bckurera, not really, there is no quota
 484 Jul 24 23:31:09 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: not sure
 485 Jul 24 23:31:16 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: i think more than 5 is good
 486 Jul 24 23:31:35 <pockeylam>	bckurera, we will see how many we can find :)
 487 Jul 24 23:31:36 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: i think we also might end up only with people from our own community doing the job
 488 Jul 24 23:31:43 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera:  but that's fine by me
 489 Jul 24 23:31:55 <BLUG_Fred>	at least we realize the work involved 
 490 Jul 24 23:32:20 <bckurera>	if we can get more externals the process get more standarized and transparent too :)
 491 Jul 24 23:32:38 <bckurera>	plus we can use this as another marketing stream too :)
 492 Jul 24 23:32:49 <bckurera>	i mean like reaching to external corporates
 493 Jul 24 23:33:24 <bckurera>	What I suggest is we can invite externals to take part
 494 Jul 24 23:33:25 <linuxmaster1>	I will made standard message and will copy it in all geeks' mass media.
 495 Jul 24 23:33:39 <bckurera>	we can do it based on contacts
 496 Jul 24 23:33:40 <linuxmaster1>	We will see how it helps.
 497 Jul 24 23:33:55 <bckurera>	and we can set a deadline to form the final committee
 498 Jul 24 23:34:07 <bckurera>	what you guys think?
 499 Jul 24 23:34:35 <pockeylam>	bckurera, if there is a deadline, should be by end of September
 500 Jul 24 23:34:47 <bckurera>	yup
 501 Jul 24 23:35:02 <bckurera>	like 2 weeks before the deadline for reports
 502 Jul 24 23:35:23 <pockeylam>	bckurera, so we have 2 months to form the committee
 503 Jul 24 23:35:30 <pockeylam>	should be enough
 504 Jul 24 23:35:36 <bckurera>	exactly
 505 Jul 24 23:35:52 <bckurera>	we can reach externals and invite BTW we can promote SFD to them as well
 506 Jul 24 23:36:01 <bckurera>	so next time they will help us to improve
 507 Jul 24 23:36:04 <bckurera>	like funding :)
 508 Jul 24 23:37:02 <pockeylam>	yep
 509 Jul 24 23:37:42 <bckurera>	pockeylam I like to assist you with this
 510 Jul 24 23:37:52 <bckurera>	i feel like i have some ideas that will work :)
 511 Jul 24 23:37:57 <pockeylam>	bckurera, sure
 512 Jul 24 23:38:04 <bckurera>	let s do it
 513 Jul 24 23:38:11 <BLUG_Fred>	great!
 514 Jul 24 23:38:19 <BLUG_Fred>	well i think we're past our 'bed time'
 515 Jul 24 23:38:19 <bckurera>	ok then is there any remainings?
 516 Jul 24 23:38:32 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yep
 517 Jul 24 23:38:32 <BLUG_Fred>	nothing for this meeting I think
 518 Jul 24 23:38:38 <bckurera>	i m hungry and waiting for dinner :)
 519 Jul 24 23:38:39 <BLUG_Fred>	we can use the marketing mailing list for more
 520 Jul 24 23:38:44 <bckurera>	ok sure
 521 Jul 24 23:38:49 <pockeylam>	bckurera, hurry to go dinner then :)
 522 Jul 24 23:38:50 <bckurera>	meeting minutes are up at
 523 Jul 24 23:38:51 <bckurera>	#link http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-07-24
 524 Jul 24 23:38:55 <pockeylam>	thanks guys!
 525 Jul 24 23:39:01 <BLUG_Fred>	thanks a lot everyone, thanks for taking the minutes bckurera 
 526 Jul 24 23:39:17 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: don't forget to send me your address for the goodies also
 527 Jul 24 23:39:21 <bckurera>	BLUG_Fred please upload the IRC log
 528 Jul 24 23:39:23 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 529 Jul 24 23:39:28 <bckurera>	sure i ll
 530 Jul 24 23:39:29 <BLUG_Fred>	bckurera: ok sure thing
 531 Jul 24 23:39:37 <BLUG_Fred>	so meeting is over! Thank you.
 532 Jul 24 23:39:43 <bckurera>	thank you all
 533 Jul 24 23:39:50 <bckurera>	I m running to have the dinner :)
 534 Jul 24 23:39:56 <pockeylam>	bckurera, thanks for writing notes!
 535 Jul 24 23:40:07 <bckurera>	meeting minutes #link http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-07-24
 536 Jul 24 23:40:14 <bckurera>	no worries i love to do that :)
 537 Jul 24 23:40:17 <bckurera>	c u guys soon
 538 Jul 24 23:40:20 <lmmej>	thanks!