Jul 10 22:11:18 well it's 14:11UTC for me.. so let's start Jul 10 22:11:29 Perhaps we should just post the log. Perhaps w/ a summary of what occurred for faster reading. Jul 10 22:11:40 Agenda for the day was emailed but I'll copy & paste Jul 10 22:11:48 - Sponsorship & goodies Jul 10 22:11:48 - Wiki registration and updates needed Jul 10 22:11:48 - Registration script (javascript gurus, please join us!) Jul 10 22:11:48 - Ideas on specificities of our collaboration with the FSF Jul 10 22:11:48 - Upcoming announcement writing help request Jul 10 22:12:00 for the 1st item i'm really updating the group Jul 10 22:12:34 we have 3 sponsors and 5 media partners at the moment, and I am still in discussion with 3/4 I would say Jul 10 22:13:00 with 2 which I feel confident about and then the others will be 'extra' Jul 10 22:13:14 we have raised enough money to ship team packs to 200 teams Jul 10 22:13:45 How many teams reg'd last year? Jul 10 22:13:48 last week we mentioned issuing a call for sponsors, but as I was putting it in my email it would be more to help local teams than SFI Jul 10 22:13:55 mike_FFSUK: ~500 Jul 10 22:14:20 mike_FFSUK: we had a cut off date which is 2 months before the Day: Jul 10 22:14:29 mike_FFSUK: that's usually when we start shipping Jul 10 22:14:35 Singapore has made a good start on getting local sponsors. Jul 10 22:14:51 2 months gives both us and Canonical the assurance packages will arrive on time Jul 10 22:14:59 cdrigby: that's great Jul 10 22:15:02 Which is 17th July, next weekend! Jul 10 22:15:20 mike_FFSUK: yes.. well last year we pushed it to end of July Jul 10 22:15:33 mike_FFSUK: and we had 100 registrations the 1st day Jul 10 22:16:03 so probably cut off date will be July 30th or around that date Jul 10 22:16:10 ok Jul 10 22:16:40 last year SFD was on 18th and I don't think we had issues with delivery (except for people providing wrong address or courier company not knowing the address) Jul 10 22:17:11 so we are on a very similar schedule Jul 10 22:17:49 Marcos was mentioning he was looking for a venue for example Jul 10 22:17:53 (more than $$) Jul 10 22:18:00 (or €€ or ..) Jul 10 22:18:28 and we do get some regional companies getting in touch with us sometimes looking to participate in their local SFD Jul 10 22:19:00 so i was thinking to write something in that direction to give ideas (provide your office, drinks, etc?) to both sponsors and teams Jul 10 22:19:47 it could be also culture performances (free culture here we go!), hoping teams can find local artist believing in free culture Jul 10 22:19:54 or maybe other stuff Jul 10 22:20:19 anyway.. that was the topic of last week and we can cover it in the 'upcoming announcements' section Jul 10 22:20:35 so next item is related to registration and wiki Jul 10 22:20:53 the wiki is ready for 2011 and hopefully bug-free now Jul 10 22:21:07 it's been ready for a while but hidden and then there was some access rights issues Jul 10 22:21:24 so any team can create their team page now (and some are doing it) Jul 10 22:21:54 logo has been made easily available, i wrote a blog post and we will modify the frontpage tomorrow to highlight it more Jul 10 22:22:13 it seems everyone is ok without the continents as well. Jul 10 22:22:36 i have been asking people (and writing in the wiki) to create a team page under the city page Jul 10 22:23:07 each year we have issues with some teams having a hard time to (late) register their team in a city where the main page is occupied by someone else Jul 10 22:23:45 i haven't decided whether it will be a strict policy or not, though it is already "strongly recommended" Jul 10 22:23:55 do you have any feedback on this? Jul 10 22:24:23 should we give them instructions like they can go to irc or send email to ask? Jul 10 22:24:29 I'm ok w/ it. We will be Singapore/SingaporeTeam, or something like that, tho, as we are really only one team for the whole city/country Jul 10 22:24:39 pockeylam: yes we have... i do mention it whenever i can Jul 10 22:24:58 Does country mean ISO code like UK or full name? Jul 10 22:25:01 if they have doubts of the wiki name, they can send an email to sfd discuss to ask? Jul 10 22:25:01 e.g. Jul 10 22:25:10 cdrigby: yeah.. some places are like this and then who knows, suddenly a smaller group decides to celebrate Jul 10 22:25:21 mike_FFSUK: full name Jul 10 22:25:33 well it's been full name for as long as I can remember Jul 10 22:25:43 and that's how people have done it again this year Jul 10 22:25:58 i would also need help on 2 things Jul 10 22:26:07 So we still need to include country, I assume. Therefore, Singapore would be "Singapore/Singapore/SingaporeTeam"? Jul 10 22:26:13 1 page needs to be updated... i will probably do it, but 'late' Jul 10 22:26:13 Is it possible to list the recently created pages? Jul 10 22:26:23 BLUG_Fred, good enough then Jul 10 22:26:26 cdrigby: i think you should remove City or Country ;-) Jul 10 22:26:50 OK - just Singapore/SingaporeTeam, then. Jul 10 22:26:50 http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CreateYourTeampage Jul 10 22:27:08 this page needs to be updated.. as it shows continents Jul 10 22:27:40 maybe simplified as well.. not sure what's possible to do (I didn't write it - it's very complete but people don't read... they want quick quick qquikc now) Jul 10 22:27:41 Would you like me to update it? I could do that later today. Jul 10 22:27:50 cdrigby: that would be nice Jul 10 22:27:59 mike_FFSUK: yes Jul 10 22:28:05 mike_FFSUK: there are 2 ways Jul 10 22:28:07 OK - I'm on it. Jul 10 22:28:25 The image on that page could do with updating, its from 2010 with continent. Jul 10 22:28:42 mike_FFSUK: you have the Recent Changes button in the horizontal menu under the SFD (new) logo Jul 10 22:28:45 top of the page Jul 10 22:29:00 mike_FFSUK: yes.. that was why i was asking Jul 10 22:29:27 mike_FFSUK: else you can also go into your 'settings' (text link in the upper right corner) and subscribe to the whole wiki Jul 10 22:29:43 mike_FFSUK: then you get an email each time someone changes a page Jul 10 22:29:47 on the whole wiki Jul 10 22:30:15 I will work on the page and post to marketing mailing list when done so that others can review. Make sense? Jul 10 22:30:26 cdrigby: it does.. thanks a lot Jul 10 22:30:41 mike_FFSUK: it's in settings - notification Jul 10 22:31:07 my pleasure. Just looked at the page. Might run into tomorrow finishing. But will advise. Jul 10 22:31:20 mike_FFSUK: whole wiki is * in the box in the 2nd part of the form Jul 10 22:31:23 BLUG_Fred, thanks Jul 10 22:31:33 cdrigby: yes.. it's actually quite some work Jul 10 22:31:59 cdrigby: i looked already and thought it was just a screenshot but then it's a lot more, and this is also why I was talking about try to make it "simple" Jul 10 22:32:13 mike_FFSUK: you're welcome. I subscribe to the wiki, so I see all changes Jul 10 22:32:21 mike_FFSUK: sometimes I leave comments on pages Jul 10 22:32:30 mike_FFSUK: and i move and delete stuff Jul 10 22:32:37 which only me can at the moment Jul 10 22:33:06 some people do have issues sometimes and create multiple pages, or at the wrong place or ... Jul 10 22:33:17 you can sign your comments with @SIG@ Jul 10 22:33:17 Indeed. I'll do my best to simplify. I think to work on the Singapore Team page in tandem as I rewrite the page. That way I will have my own work on a team page as a template Jul 10 22:33:25 it leaves your wiki name and the date/time Jul 10 22:33:55 and I have some contact information on my wiki name page so people can get in touch with me for further help Jul 10 22:34:00 (well I think I do) Jul 10 22:34:00 Back on the wiki structure, you know that I don't like having to have another sub level of 'Team'. Jul 10 22:34:12 mike_FFSUK: right Jul 10 22:34:43 mike_FFSUK: well another way for those people like you is to keep a spot on the top of the page with a message to potential team leaders Jul 10 22:35:07 The URLs are massive. Jul 10 22:35:09 mike_FFSUK: but at least that they see it's possible to register another team and somewhat indicate what are their options Jul 10 22:35:21 mike_FFSUK: you have a shortcut page Jul 10 22:35:41 so you would end up with wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/s/manchester if you want Jul 10 22:35:50 What would be better would be to use Categories for pages and just have one level. Jul 10 22:36:24 mike_FFSUK: what kind of categories? Jul 10 22:36:41 mike_FFSUK: what's wrong with wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/s/manchester Jul 10 22:36:47 it hardly gets shorter Jul 10 22:36:51 Country, City. Then auto-index on that. Jul 10 22:37:58 mike_FFSUK: don't you need the category word in category in moinmoin Jul 10 22:37:58 ? Jul 10 22:38:19 i'm not moinmoin admin by choice or desire ;-) Jul 10 22:38:27 :) Jul 10 22:38:40 (and as I was told not long ago , I am underqualified) Jul 10 22:38:57 Just thinking what I'm going to use for country for the Manchester event. Jul 10 22:39:18 mike_FFSUK: well it hasn't been created yet... so I guess UK is ok ;-) Jul 10 22:39:26 :) Jul 10 22:39:27 USA uses USA Jul 10 22:39:35 not United States of .... Jul 10 22:40:10 Exactly. Jul 10 22:40:12 Proposal for countries w/ states, provinces, etc: "city" includes region. For example, my current city would be "Charlottesville, VA" Jul 10 22:40:12 mike_FFSUK: are you a moinmoin expert? Jul 10 22:40:23 No. Jul 10 22:40:27 cdrigby: so USA uses states Jul 10 22:40:34 Yes Jul 10 22:40:47 because you guys have same city names all over the country Jul 10 22:40:48 Must, because most states have cities with the same name. Jul 10 22:40:56 cdrigby: hehe yes Jul 10 22:40:58 exact Jul 10 22:41:20 cdrigby: i think you're the only ones (I know China has a few as well, but less common I believe) Jul 10 22:41:38 the Region template should still be there I think Jul 10 22:41:58 no, the State template is Jul 10 22:42:30 anyway if you know anyone willing to help moderating and helping out lost souls on our wiki Jul 10 22:42:49 i'll send a separate email about this, to see if we have volunteers later Jul 10 22:43:15 so we're all clear on the wiki stuff right? Jul 10 22:43:27 OK. Since the word "state" will not be visible in the URL, it can be province, ragione, etc. Example: Italy/Veneto/Venice Jul 10 22:43:55 cdrigby: but there is no need to make the URL longer elsewhere Jul 10 22:44:14 I can probably help w/ wiki support, since I'll know the structure fairly well by the time I've gotten the team registration instructions done. My response time may not be great. Will use email. Jul 10 22:44:19 i agree with mike_FFSUK that we end up with very long URLs if we force everyone to use Region Jul 10 22:44:20 BLUG_Fred, I've sub'd to all pages and will help out a little. Jul 10 22:44:33 mike_FFSUK: thanks Jul 10 22:45:09 mike_FFSUK: i need to add you in some special group so you can also move and delete Jul 10 22:45:23 BLUG_Fred: OK, I think I understand. The URL scheme is flexible and needs only the levels used by a given country Jul 10 22:45:32 cdrigby: yes.. Jul 10 22:45:40 OK, got it. Jul 10 22:45:58 In the wiki is @PAGE@ some wiki magic? Jul 10 22:45:58 it's a wiki after all, but it should make for short URLs as much as possible and easy to navigate Jul 10 22:46:31 yes.. when you create a page with @PAGE@ it will put the url after wiki.softwarefreedomday.org Jul 10 22:46:41 we use that in the template titles Jul 10 22:46:52 you can also removed it and only write the title you want Jul 10 22:47:10 some people take the template as a questionnaire and leave the "questions" sometimes Jul 10 22:47:36 or they remove the category tags at the bottom making their page hard to find through categories Jul 10 22:47:38 or... Jul 10 22:47:43 you'll see Jul 10 22:47:46 ;-) Jul 10 22:48:02 Creating a new country it gives Jul 10 22:48:07 = SFD @PAGE@ = Jul 10 22:48:18 i have to admit my first year doing SFD I really struggled with moinmoin.. couldn't even figure out how to add a graphic in the page Jul 10 22:48:42 mike_FFSUK: i don't remember exactly Jul 10 22:49:10 BLUG_Fred, :) OK. Jul 10 22:49:28 mike_FFSUK: right Jul 10 22:49:42 Yes, moinmoin has baffled me as well at times. But there DOES seem to be a pattern to its madness. {;-> Jul 10 22:49:46 and then when you save it automatically writes in the page title SFD 2011/Country Jul 10 22:50:05 cdrigby: yes. it's very powerful .. well you can do lots of stuff Jul 10 22:50:11 there is a learning curve Jul 10 22:50:49 and the Action menu is so not intuitive Jul 10 22:51:06 we use Moinmoin at GNOME as well Jul 10 22:51:34 it's just hard on people using it once a year Jul 10 22:52:21 any other wiki question? Jul 10 22:52:23 Makes sense. Is it OK if I experiment a little while I write up the instructions? I can always delete my experiments later. Jul 10 22:52:30 I can confirm that @PAGE@ is (one time) replaced by the bit after w.sfd.org/ . Jul 10 22:52:32 cdrigby: sure Jul 10 22:52:45 cool Jul 10 22:52:47 mike_FFSUK: and @SIG@ is your name + date Jul 10 22:53:08 BLUG_Fred, its starting to make sense. ;) Jul 10 22:53:19 i need to create a moderator group and put you in it Jul 10 22:53:47 i love the templates also.. it s really cool, but most people wonder what is all this markup ;-) Jul 10 22:54:16 i would add moinmoin grows on you Jul 10 22:54:19 ;-) Jul 10 22:54:34 agreed Jul 10 22:55:03 but to admin and manage it.. it's a bit too much for my use Jul 10 22:55:18 so next topic is registration Jul 10 22:55:24 it's of course linked Jul 10 22:55:39 i finished all the javascript form validation thingy Jul 10 22:55:40 yes - it is a full time job. Powerful tool for a large site, clearly. Jul 10 22:55:48 this year we're finally moving away from the old code Jul 10 22:56:00 BLUG_Fred, cool. Jul 10 22:56:04 cdrigby: it also can do multisite as well ;-) Jul 10 22:56:25 the reason is that we didn't support UTF8 and 'holes' in the URLs Jul 10 22:56:36 (spaces i mean - you would have understood) Jul 10 22:56:50 and since I didn't know perl.. well i am rewriting everything Jul 10 22:57:46 Spaces in URLs are bad. Jul 10 22:57:46 Yep - lots of work! Jul 10 22:57:57 I've pulled all my hair over javascript, was told I was underqualified in ##javascript on freenode (probably someone who thought I was getting paid to do the job, and spent hours ... wasting time) Jul 10 22:58:12 mike_FFSUK: well, we do have them in our wiki Jul 10 22:58:24 mike_FFSUK: and city names with 'ç~etc Jul 10 22:58:30 or even people's name Jul 10 22:59:08 so i used to get names with missing letters in some countries and had to figure out the right spelling before being able to use the file (or send it to Canonical) Jul 10 22:59:14 so no more this Jul 10 22:59:43 now i still need to write some python stuff to keep the same architecture as we had. I think it was quite well thought out Jul 10 23:00:04 1 registration = 1 separate file with time stamp in case of issue later Jul 10 23:00:19 and then concatenation and export to xls format at the end Jul 10 23:00:28 csv actually Jul 10 23:00:33 not xls.. sorry Jul 10 23:00:52 i suck a bit less in python, so that should be faster Jul 10 23:01:10 i would still be happy to have a python guru I could ask question too sometimes... if we have one Jul 10 23:01:37 (and yes I maintain a python application.. don't ask me how that happened! ;-) ) Jul 10 23:01:51 so no python guru in the channel? Jul 10 23:02:07 well.. i'll write a separate email too.. to both marketing and webbers Jul 10 23:02:08 BLUG_Fred: Sorry, but I do need to leave in about 15 minutes. If we have not finished the meeting, can you post the log so that I can read what I missed? Jul 10 23:02:17 cdrigby: i'll post the log Jul 10 23:02:24 Thnx Jul 10 23:02:25 last topic is the FSF/SFD relationship Jul 10 23:02:55 you read the issue at hand, FSF is not so happy that we encourage distribution of non-free distro Jul 10 23:03:28 Does the Ubuntu CD contain non-free software? Jul 10 23:03:40 we are having an excellent communication and looking how to somehow continue distributing the 'famous distros that everyone want' while telling people non-free is bad Jul 10 23:03:52 mike_FFSUK: most distro do: the kernel does Jul 10 23:04:19 mike_FFSUK: default install, except the kernel no (not that I know) Jul 10 23:04:24 BLUG_Fred, Debian removed the non-free kernel bits, yay! \o/ Jul 10 23:04:33 mike_FFSUK: wow that's great Jul 10 23:04:47 mike_FFSUK: well i think now the hardware people buy is more and more 'open' Jul 10 23:05:19 one suggestion we got from Richard last year was to ask team leaders to put a sticker on the Ubuntu CDs "This is non-free software - DANGER!" Jul 10 23:05:34 I don't remember the exact wording, i can find it Jul 10 23:05:39 The non-free firmware is packaged in Debian (non-free) so you can get it and use it in the installer. Jul 10 23:05:58 BLUG_Fred, I like that! :) Jul 10 23:06:01 the problem with the wording is that... if too short, it's not very clear, if too long it covers the whole CD so.. Jul 10 23:06:25 fedora has a script to remove them as well I think Jul 10 23:06:54 either way we cannot ask Canonical to send CDs and then tell people to cover their CDs with scary stickers Jul 10 23:06:55 BLUG_Fred, in Manchester Free Software I thought about doing similar like advising them and including a slip of paper explaining. Jul 10 23:07:11 so it should either be funny (and short) or we need a better plan Jul 10 23:07:36 i mentioned a few things to Richard.. let me grab that email Jul 10 23:08:26 What about a PDF with several copies of a message describing the problem so people can print out and put in the CD holders. Jul 10 23:08:42 Right now I'm thinking of something along the line of a compliance workshop for people's hardware, or some well promoted howto/slides to show people how to check if their hardware runs with a fully free distro. I know there are some scripts to remove those binary blobs and that could be a way to keep people using their favorite distro while making it 100% free. It's a bit of work, but a worthwhile endeavor. Jul 10 23:08:42 Also a good presentation template covering the topic and trying to shed light on 3/4 areas (kernel, video drivers, flash, others?) that we would encourage teams to present would be great regardless of the above. This is something we can write, get your review/comments and promote to all those teams. Jul 10 23:09:56 this is what I wrote.. and Richard rightfully answered: Jul 10 23:09:57 I do not want a sticker on the CDs. An insert is fine. 95% of people will ignore this issue anyway. End users rarely care all that much, in my experience. Jul 10 23:10:00 "just having Jul 10 23:10:00 these slides or a workshop would not be adequate because most Jul 10 23:10:00 attendees won't see it. Jul 10 23:10:00 Anything that is to overcome the effect of disks of nonfree distros Jul 10 23:10:00 has to be at least as visible as those disks." Jul 10 23:10:24 cdrigby: you are right.. but we should inform them Jul 10 23:10:42 in fact there is less and less reason to run nonfree stuff (well...) Jul 10 23:10:54 Yes, our mission is to educate, but we do that softly and gently once we have their attention with the superior end result. Jul 10 23:11:05 at least hardware support was a bit + of Ubuntu. I feel this is less of a strong point now Jul 10 23:11:10 I think a slip of paper in the CD jackets would be good enough. Jul 10 23:11:33 mike_FFSUK: i'll get back to Richard and see what he thinks Jul 10 23:11:33 BLUG_Fred: agreed. Jul 10 23:11:42 mike_FFSUK: +1 Jul 10 23:11:47 i also feel it's not that intrusive and won't upset Canonical neither Jul 10 23:11:56 I would like us to ship lots of different distro's include Debian an gNewSense but I guess that isn't going to happen. Jul 10 23:12:13 well this is a difficult thing Jul 10 23:12:30 SFI doesn't have enough funding to ship 20K CDs Jul 10 23:12:33 BLUG_Fred, that's what I mean, its a good compromise. Jul 10 23:12:36 like Canonical does Jul 10 23:12:41 Gentlemen, sorry, but I am summoned away. I will check back later today to see the rest of the conversation. Good ! Jul 10 23:12:50 cdrigby: ok great.. thanks Jul 10 23:12:50 ciao Jul 10 23:12:56 we're almost done I suppose Jul 10 23:12:59 bye. Jul 10 23:13:09 mike_FFSUK: we are planning to send 3 extra DVDs this year Jul 10 23:13:15 cool. Will be intouch via email shortly. Jul 10 23:13:21 * cdrigby has quit (Quit: Leaving) Jul 10 23:13:27 mike_FFSUK: so we can put a lot of stuff on it, but it's for people to get the image and create their own CDs Jul 10 23:13:43 BLUG_Fred, yes. Jul 10 23:13:50 mike_FFSUK: it's really mainly for places in the world where downloading a CD is a pain (and there are a lot of places like this) Jul 10 23:14:01 Yes. Jul 10 23:14:21 mike_FFSUK: in '07 when I did my 1st SFD I distributed a lot of stuff .. we got sponsors and we produced the CDs ourself Jul 10 23:14:25 ourselves Jul 10 23:15:12 Perhaps you could use this an opportunity to encourage Canonical to be more Free Software. Jul 10 23:15:18 so for places like Europe or maybe the US (I hear their Internet is not always great, still lots of dial-ups) we shouldn't even send those 3 DVDs Jul 10 23:15:56 Perhaps list the ISOs of other distro's on the sfd pages? Jul 10 23:16:09 well I see them running a business. Their 'app store' (forgot the real name) sells non-free software now as well Jul 10 23:16:31 mike_FFSUK: i think we have a page for that, with also all the projects like The OpenDisc Jul 10 23:16:32 BLUG_Fred, yes. :( Jul 10 23:16:48 mike_FFSUK, i think we have a page of the distro isos, but it may not be the updated Jul 10 23:16:48 mike_FFSUK, we will need to update the page Jul 10 23:17:09 mike_FFSUK: but yes we should try to provide some more guidance as the running of the event and what to say Jul 10 23:17:30 mike_FFSUK: our start guide is already very long (which makes me feel we need a "short version") Jul 10 23:17:44 A great problem I have with the Ubuntu CDs is that people get to think it is the only distro. Jul 10 23:17:55 things like what to present and giving them slides with comments so they can easily introduce important topics Jul 10 23:18:19 mike_FFSUK: yes.. other distros don't seem so keen on shipping their CDs Jul 10 23:18:37 mike_FFSUK: for openSUSE it was too late for this year, they said they need to plan for production Jul 10 23:18:49 BLUG_Fred, I think Canonical are cutting down on it too. Jul 10 23:18:55 mike_FFSUK: also SFD is not GNU/Linux Day really Jul 10 23:19:05 BLUG_Fred, agree. Jul 10 23:19:06 mike_FFSUK: yes they are Jul 10 23:19:37 mike_FFSUK: and team should really just explain the matter at hand and show great stuff that anyone can use regardless of their OS Jul 10 23:19:38 BLUG_Fred, OpenDisc, Free Software on Windows and Mac is important. Had that as part of our SFD2010. Jul 10 23:20:00 mike_FFSUK: right.. I see some people have been working on a GTK+ port for cacao (MAC) Jul 10 23:20:27 which is great.. so people can run GIMP natively on MAC without X11 very soon Jul 10 23:20:41 cocoa? Jul 10 23:20:44 BLUG_Fred, people are more likely to try an app like Firefox, LibreOffice, etc on their Windows/Mac than install a new OS. Jul 10 23:20:48 forgot the name also :/ Jul 10 23:20:56 mike_FFSUK: exactly Jul 10 23:20:58 BLUG_Fred, that's good, not seen it. Jul 10 23:21:08 mike_FFSUK: and that's how they should do it Jul 10 23:21:35 mike_FFSUK: it's very very new.. unstable and very new Jul 10 23:21:37 ;-) Jul 10 23:21:42 * BLUG_Fred looking for a link Jul 10 23:22:13 mike_FFSUK: http://gimpfoo.de/2005/10/06/an-early-glance-at-gimp-on-os-x/ Jul 10 23:23:28 oh.. that is such an old link Jul 10 23:23:48 mike_FFSUK: sorry.. it just got sucked again on Planet GNOME (*shy* *shy* Jul 10 23:23:50 ) Jul 10 23:23:52 i got tricked Jul 10 23:24:01 so i guess the project never made it Jul 10 23:24:03 :( Jul 10 23:26:05 BLUG_Fred, and don't forget *BSD. Jul 10 23:26:05 * BLUG_Fred has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Jul 10 23:26:05 * Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Jul 10 23:26:39 * Now talking on #sfd-marketing Jul 10 23:26:40 -NickServ- You are now identified for BLUG_Fred. Jul 10 23:26:42 back Jul 10 23:26:49 sorry got dumped by the server Jul 10 23:27:03 BLUG_Fred, :) Jul 10 23:27:12 BLUG_Fred, let's move on. Jul 10 23:27:17 mike_FFSUK: yes Jul 10 23:27:47 so next item was the upcoming announcements Jul 10 23:28:00 i think i sent a list also but.. if not here it is: Jul 10 23:28:35 - New SFD logo : DONE Jul 10 23:28:35 - SFD 2010 competition: written - will be published next week Jul 10 23:28:35 - 2011 Sponsors and media partners: 1 article per organization or shall we group them? Jul 10 23:28:35 - Registration opening with team pack description and wiki rules Jul 10 23:28:35 - Call for sponsors in August (see above) Jul 10 23:28:35 - Anything else? Jul 10 23:29:04 When is the reg opening? Jul 10 23:29:22 so I'm hoping to get the 2010 competition out next week. we also had long discussions with Richard as he is changing the rules on the attributions of the book Jul 10 23:29:39 mike_FFSUK: when i have finished the script Jul 10 23:29:49 BLUG_Fred, ok. Jul 10 23:29:55 i am planning to work on that tomorrow afternoon Jul 10 23:30:53 i need to modify the best event comp announcement to reflect the new 'rule' Jul 10 23:31:12 and email the winners to confirm whether they followed that new rule which they didn't know about Jul 10 23:31:22 What is the new rule? Jul 10 23:31:36 they must have not distributed any non-free distro Jul 10 23:31:41 :) Jul 10 23:31:48 yeah... Jul 10 23:32:02 So the Ubuntu CDs are a Trojan! Jul 10 23:32:04 but Richard said just to ask them and he will be happy with their word Jul 10 23:32:29 we ask what they distribute in the report submission Jul 10 23:32:39 well.. i will email them as Richard asked... Jul 10 23:32:55 and we'll stay in a gray area (I will not check the reports) Jul 10 23:32:56 By the way, do you about the "Free System Distribution Guidelines"? Jul 10 23:33:03 no i don t Jul 10 23:33:10 what is it? Jul 10 23:33:40 http://www.gnu.org/distros/free-system-distribution-guidelines.html Jul 10 23:33:58 Does RMS mean this when he says free? Jul 10 23:34:37 Ask him if handing out Debian CDs (these are 100% FS) is OK. Jul 10 23:35:03 mike_FFSUK: if 100% FS then it's ok Jul 10 23:35:29 oh i probably read this page in the past.. just don't remember the details Jul 10 23:35:50 mike_FFSUK: did you read Nina Paley's blog post on free culture and the FSF recently? Jul 10 23:36:01 No. Jul 10 23:36:05 it's on Planet SFD Jul 10 23:36:19 OK, I like Nina Paley's stuff. Jul 10 23:36:52 it seems it has disappeared from the planet.. damned! Jul 10 23:37:23 me too.. she is nice and what she writes makes sense to me Jul 10 23:37:32 disclaimer: I am not an artist ;-) Jul 10 23:37:43 but that's also why I added her blog to our planet Jul 10 23:38:03 mike_FFSUK: http://blog.ninapaley.com/2011/07/04/rantifesto/ Jul 10 23:39:06 Just read the first bit but it is stuff I have been thinking about. Jul 10 23:39:52 do you have any comment on the last 2/3 questions I asked.. Jul 10 23:40:05 => shall we have blog + PR or just blog? Jul 10 23:40:05 => how do we differentiate? Jul 10 23:40:05 => ideas to kick start the buzz around SFD 2011? Jul 10 23:40:50 Don't know about the first two. Jul 10 23:40:51 the idea is that the blog should have stuff ... often from now until SFD while Press Releases are more important milestones Jul 10 23:41:32 though in today's press I don't feel there is a big difference (unless you're MS or Mozilla) Jul 10 23:41:51 mike_FFSUK: so you have ideas about the 3rd one? :p Jul 10 23:42:27 Push out reg announcement through all channels! :) Jul 10 23:43:20 mike_FFSUK: and then? Jul 10 23:43:38 mike_FFSUK: i was thinking we should have some kind of news until SFD Jul 10 23:43:53 also there are always people finding out at the last minute Jul 10 23:44:03 well.. it was all those Jul 10 23:44:28 i understand that it s just you and me (and pockey which whom I live .. so we've had this discussion) Jul 10 23:44:39 LOL. Jul 10 23:45:25 Updates from people planning their events? Jul 10 23:46:07 Getting out the feeling this is a worldwide event with other people and teams just like you doing SFD. Inspire people. Jul 10 23:46:08 yes.. that could be cool! Jul 10 23:46:19 like some interview about how they are doing it Jul 10 23:46:25 excellent! Jul 10 23:46:25 Yes. Jul 10 23:46:45 a few photos, and plan and exciting (and workload and... team building) Jul 10 23:46:57 that's a great idea.. let's do that Jul 10 23:47:01 \o/ Jul 10 23:47:57 It'll hopefully encourage people to start planning early too. Jul 10 23:48:20 well i guess that's a wonderful conclusion Jul 10 23:48:28 we now need to find writers and editors ;-) Jul 10 23:48:29 :P Jul 10 23:48:31 kidding Jul 10 23:48:41 i guess we're done for my part of the agenda Jul 10 23:48:48 is there anything else you would like to cover? Jul 10 23:49:53 Just Nina's article is interesting. Jul 10 23:50:58 I would add that "Free Culture" isn't distributed with its source either. So you get "flatten" files for images and music, instead of the layered ones the author will use. Jul 10 23:52:32 BLUG_Fred, I'm going to forward the press releases and try to get a buzz going in the UK. Jul 10 23:53:01 mike_FFSUK: yes.. i am reading the comments. Jul 10 23:53:11 mike_FFSUK: it really becomes complicated Jul 10 23:53:21 mike_FFSUK: @SFI we provide the source files ;-) Jul 10 23:53:27 mike_FFSUK: well thanks Jul 10 23:53:41 mike_FFSUK: any suggestion to get the marketing list active again? Jul 10 23:53:48 is everyone on holidays? Jul 10 23:54:30 BLUG_Fred, also being into Free Software doesn't automatically mean you are into Free Culture. Jul 10 23:55:18 Software is different to me. Jul 10 23:55:22 mike_FFSUK: well the FSF/RMS says that non-free software should not exist Jul 10 23:55:36 that's quite extreme to me.. there is no longer a choice for people Jul 10 23:55:52 so one could also "decide" that if you're into Free Software you should be into Free Culture Jul 10 23:56:19 Nina obviously thinks it's the same Jul 10 23:56:31 i can't really say, i don't consider myself an artist Jul 10 23:56:45 Luckily, the FSF *aren't* into Free Culture in the sense that the term should be used. Jul 10 23:56:49 and i believe in freedom for people to do what they want as long as they don't bother me ;-) Jul 10 23:57:24 BLUG_Fred, agree. Jul 10 23:57:53 I like to give people the information and opportunity to choose. That's why I like SFD. Jul 10 23:58:06 mike_FFSUK: exactly. you explain and people decide Jul 10 23:58:30 sometimes you explain more than once... still you don't force people into what you think is important/right Jul 10 23:58:41 well i suppose we are done Jul 10 23:59:04 Yes. Jul 10 23:59:14 i will be on the channel in the upcoming days, so you can come and 'motivate' me to finish that script Jul 10 23:59:16 :p Jul 10 23:59:19 thanks a lot Jul 10 23:59:33 Good work on the script and good luck on finishing it. Jul 10 23:59:34 have a nice end of Sunday Jul 10 23:59:42 Thanks. Jul 10 23:59:47 Have a nice sleep. :) Jul 11 00:03:33 yep.. past midnight