SFD:

May 15, 2011 Meeting

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   1 May 15 22:00:09 <mike_ffsuk>	hi BLUG_Fred
   2 May 15 22:01:13 <LeandroNunes>	hi Fred
   3 May 15 22:01:53 <verow>	hi BLUG_Fred
   4 May 15 22:01:56 <cdrigby>	Hello Fred
   5 May 15 22:02:04 <cdrigby>	Hello Mike
   6 May 15 22:02:16 <verow>	on m'a demandé si SFD était un acronyme de SDF :-P
   7 May 15 22:02:37 <BLUG_Fred>	hi
   8 May 15 22:02:52 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ah y a des gens qui ont de l'humour
   9 May 15 22:03:00 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: oui on est tous SDF ds l'ame...
  10 May 15 22:03:13 <verow>	meuh non, sommes nomades :-D
  11 May 15 22:03:17 <BLUG_Fred>	sorry I was making a cup of tea before the meeting 
  12 May 15 22:03:24 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: pareil non?
  13 May 15 22:03:41 <BLUG_Fred>	I just made a better version of today's agenda here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-05-15
  14 May 15 22:04:06 <verow>	ah non, nomade est un choix de vie mais SDF est souvent un désastre qui te conduit à ne plus manger dormir et te laver
  15 May 15 22:04:19 <verow>	nomade vit normalement mais en déplacement
  16 May 15 22:04:37 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ah.. je croyais que pas se laver c'était francais en fait ;-)
  17 May 15 22:04:51 <verow>	loul
  18 May 15 22:05:03 <verow>	sorry everybody for this FRench conversation
  19 May 15 22:05:09 <BLUG_Fred>	we're getting less attendance
  20 May 15 22:05:30 <verow>	I have a friend who made a "private joke" on SFD
  21 May 15 22:05:54 <verow>	we have SDF in French that means "homeless"
  22 May 15 22:05:56 *	pockeylam (~pockeylam@119.121.79.186) has joined #sfd-marketing
  23 May 15 22:06:01 <cdrigby>	verow: {8->
  24 May 15 22:06:06 <BLUG_Fred>	it's :05 maybe we should start
  25 May 15 22:06:13 <verow>	he asked me if SFD was acronym :-p
  26 May 15 22:06:15 <LeandroNunes>	ok
  27 May 15 22:06:36 <LeandroNunes>	oh! first... sorry abou the delay on creating the page for "contacts". I'll create it today
  28 May 15 22:06:58 <BLUG_Fred>	agenda for today:
  29 May 15 22:07:00 <verow>	ok, as I said, I'll be there on a dotted "line" as I have troubles about Linux Azur that I have to resolve before tomorrow
  30 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Review past action items
  31 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Discuss SFD logo
  32 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Wiki structure
  33 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Marketing ideas
  34 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Schedule milestones to SFD
  35 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Assign teams to important tasks/dates defined above 
  36 May 15 22:07:08 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: no problem
  37 May 15 22:07:14 <cdrigby>	verow: Oui, les blagues "trans-linguistiques" m'amuse beaucoup !
  38 May 15 22:07:38 <BLUG_Fred>	I think logos files and licenses have been uploaded and clarified
  39 May 15 22:07:42 <BLUG_Fred>	so that's done as well
  40 May 15 22:07:54 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: do we have a secretary for today?
  41 May 15 22:08:04 <BLUG_Fred>	I however should ask if anyone want to be secretary today?
  42 May 15 22:08:10 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: you do read minds...
  43 May 15 22:08:23 <cdrigby>	Wiki page of logos is here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogoMaxus
  44 May 15 22:08:36 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: well then yes please, no one is fighting for the role
  45 May 15 22:09:20 <cdrigby>	OK, I will take notes. The rest of my day is relatively clear, unlike last week. I should be able to get them up a lot faster.
  46 May 15 22:09:22 <BLUG_Fred>	and initial logo is http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
  47 May 15 22:09:26 <pockeylam>	i also changed the font of the logo by myself http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
  48 May 15 22:09:39 <pockeylam>	i modified the "f"
  49 May 15 22:09:44 <pockeylam>	to make it look like f now :)
  50 May 15 22:09:59 <mike_ffsuk>	pockeylam, :)
  51 May 15 22:10:06 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: good deal. So we do have some choices.
  52 May 15 22:10:13 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, yep
  53 May 15 22:10:34 <pockeylam>	and i intend to make the logo licensed under public domain
  54 May 15 22:11:05 <BLUG_Fred>	i personally have a problem with CC-NC
  55 May 15 22:11:21 <mike_ffsuk>	pockeylam, still has the penguin. Is that going to stay?
  56 May 15 22:11:26 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: how would you like to see it changed?
  57 May 15 22:11:41 <BLUG_Fred>	there are lots of discussions online about why CC-NC is a non-free license
  58 May 15 22:11:44 <cdrigby>	mike_ffsuk: open to discussion.
  59 May 15 22:11:57 <pockeylam>	mike_ffsuk, what penguin? my logo is here http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo where is the penguin? ;)
  60 May 15 22:12:04 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: understood.
  61 May 15 22:12:05 <BLUG_Fred>	and then the BY as well for the reason I stated at the last meeting
  62 May 15 22:12:22 <cdrigby>	pockeylam: it is the Maxus proposed logo that has the penguin.
  63 May 15 22:12:23 <mike_ffsuk>	pockeylam, hiding in the hill. :)
  64 May 15 22:12:33 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: i think mike_ffsuk is talking about the Maxxus logo
  65 May 15 22:12:36 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, i see, ok, we can remove the penguin
  66 May 15 22:12:39 <BLUG_Fred>	oops.. only 1 X
  67 May 15 22:13:00 <BLUG_Fred>	we mentioned it last time as well... 
  68 May 15 22:13:04 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, to make a generic mountain if we picked Maxus logo
  69 May 15 22:13:05 <verow>	i'm looking at the svg file
  70 May 15 22:13:13 <pockeylam>	verow, http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
  71 May 15 22:13:25 <pockeylam>	verow, did you make yours? if yes, upload it, so we have more choices
  72 May 15 22:13:30 <LeandroNunes>	is that, right ? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogoMaxus
  73 May 15 22:13:33 <BLUG_Fred>	I also feel uncomfortable asking each and every SFD team using the logo to credit a company
  74 May 15 22:13:42 <verow>	and we can make the hill become a hill and not a penguin
  75 May 15 22:13:42 <mike_ffsuk>	pockeylam, sorry was looking at the wrong one. Like yours.
  76 May 15 22:13:52 <verow>	I could not work on PNG files
  77 May 15 22:14:04 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: you didn't find the SVGs?
  78 May 15 22:14:07 <pockeylam>	verow, there is svg file
  79 May 15 22:14:08 <verow>	no
  80 May 15 22:14:11 <cdrigby>	verow: link to SVG file included for Maxus logo
  81 May 15 22:14:15 <pockeylam>	verow, click "action" , the attach file
  82 May 15 22:14:18 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: you need to click on Actions then select attachments 
  83 May 15 22:14:20 <kjcole>	Dang. I like the subtlety of the penguin. I realize it's not just about Linux, so subliminal mascots from other apps could perhaps be incorporated...
  84 May 15 22:14:22 <BLUG_Fred>	and you'll see  them
  85 May 15 22:14:34 <mike_ffsuk>	like the other without too without penguin.
  86 May 15 22:14:41 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: yes.. then it's a LOT of mascotts
  87 May 15 22:15:09 <cdrigby>	brb
  88 May 15 22:15:10 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: prefered license would be either PD or CC-BY to SFD
  89 May 15 22:15:55 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: et pas de mauvaise blague ;-)
  90 May 15 22:16:23 <verow>	outch !
  91 May 15 22:16:27 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred, it doesn't have to be EVERY mascot, just a random sampling of the most recognizable... a firefox on the hill, with a thunderbird flying above, etc.
  92 May 15 22:16:47 <pockeylam>	kjcole, we can make a poster to include mascots..
  93 May 15 22:16:53 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: 2 applications which are not exactly free software...
  94 May 15 22:16:53 <pockeylam>	kjcole, for logo,let's keep it simple :)
  95 May 15 22:16:55 <mike_ffsuk>	kjcole, that does sound cool.
  96 May 15 22:17:10 <pockeylam>	kjcole, we would like to include only mountain and the sun
  97 May 15 22:17:34 <LeandroNunes>	pockeylam: perfect
  98 May 15 22:17:51 <kjcole>	pockeylam: Ok.  I can undersand not cluttering it up.  I withdraw the idea for the logo.
  99 May 15 22:17:58 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: it will make a very busy logo. we would like to have something that people easily recognize as US
 100 May 15 22:18:03 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes, perfect for making a poster?
 101 May 15 22:18:17 <LeandroNunes>	pockeylam: it's so complicated to choose some logos to include on our logo...
 102 May 15 22:18:23 <LeandroNunes>	a posted would be perfect
 103 May 15 22:18:27 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yeah, mountain and the sun are our symbol , we use these elements as our logo for years
 104 May 15 22:18:33 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes, sure, let's do it
 105 May 15 22:18:37 <pockeylam>	any volunteer to make the poster?
 106 May 15 22:18:45 <cdrigby>	agreed: multiple logos, FOSS or not depending on sponors, for posters; logo simple. This will vary based on which organizations sponsor a particular local event.
 107 May 15 22:18:58 <pockeylam>	verow, interested?
 108 May 15 22:18:59 <BLUG_Fred>	so cdrigby will check again with the author about the licensing terms
 109 May 15 22:19:28 <BLUG_Fred>	I'm surprised to be the only having an issue with CC-NC-BY to a business for a non profit organization
 110 May 15 22:19:37 <BLUG_Fred>	well the logo is for the event, not the org.. still
 111 May 15 22:19:54 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, i agreed, to use either PD or CC-BY to SFD
 112 May 15 22:19:58 <BLUG_Fred>	would you guys credit another business for your own company logo?
 113 May 15 22:20:02 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, mention SFD is fair enough :)
 114 May 15 22:20:12 <verow>	ok for the poster
 115 May 15 22:20:17 <pockeylam>	verow, cool!
 116 May 15 22:20:29 <verow>	and I do it before Tuesday
 117 May 15 22:20:38 <cdrigby>	OK, 2 action item for me: discuss licensing w/ author, PD or CC-BY preferred; also can we lose the penguin.
 118 May 15 22:20:38 <verow>	it is in my calendar
 119 May 15 22:21:01 <pockeylam>	AI; Verow will work on a generic poster to include some free software project mascots as our SFD poster 2011
 120 May 15 22:21:04 <pockeylam>	verow, nice
 121 May 15 22:21:15 <cdrigby>	verow: good!
 122 May 15 22:21:22 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: we won't take it with the penguin is the general feeling
 123 May 15 22:22:04 <BLUG_Fred>	ok. so we won't pick the logo this time again
 124 May 15 22:22:22 <BLUG_Fred>	next past AI is drafting some rules towards the competition committee
 125 May 15 22:22:32 <cdrigby>	verow: confirmed AI for poster.
 126 May 15 22:22:39 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam wrote an initial draft here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
 127 May 15 22:23:09 <pockeylam>	and we are calling for competition committee members
 128 May 15 22:23:28 <BLUG_Fred>	the number of participants is not high, but it has always been hard to get people from the board to review submissions
 129 May 15 22:23:40 <pockeylam>	yes, there are around 30 + submissions
 130 May 15 22:23:46 <BLUG_Fred>	(and I haven't been the fastest judge neither...)
 131 May 15 22:23:54 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: sometimes 80+
 132 May 15 22:24:09 <BLUG_Fred>	any comment?
 133 May 15 22:24:26 <pockeylam>	it's fun to review all the submissions
 134 May 15 22:24:40 <pockeylam>	it takes only a few days to do it
 135 May 15 22:24:44 <pockeylam>	part time
 136 May 15 22:24:49 <BLUG_Fred>	so the good thing when you get to do it is that some submissions really are impressive
 137 May 15 22:24:53 <cdrigby>	I'm helping with a specific event (Singapore), so I disqualify myself from the Competitoin Committee.
 138 May 15 22:24:53 <pockeylam>	there are a lot of high quality submissions
 139 May 15 22:25:05 <pockeylam>	very enjoyable to read all their reports or webpages , photos
 140 May 15 22:25:15 <BLUG_Fred>	we could make a call for participants later during summer
 141 May 15 22:25:25 <pockeylam>	yep
 142 May 15 22:25:32 <pockeylam>	there must be a lot of organizers here
 143 May 15 22:25:35 <pockeylam>	i understand
 144 May 15 22:25:35 <BLUG_Fred>	worst case if no one commits we give it to SFI board again
 145 May 15 22:25:42 <pockeylam>	yep
 146 May 15 22:25:48 <cdrigby>	Would be nice if we could get some luminaries of FOSS from outside SFDI to be part of the committee...
 147 May 15 22:26:06 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, yeah, that's the purpose to have this committee
 148 May 15 22:26:13 <mike_ffsuk>	cdrigby, like that idea.
 149 May 15 22:26:15 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes also. I offered RMS to rate but he was not hot about it 
 150 May 15 22:26:17 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 151 May 15 22:26:40 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, Mark Shuttleworth. :D
 152 May 15 22:26:43 <pockeylam>	mike_ffsuk, cdrigby, please talk to those who maybe interested to join
 153 May 15 22:27:11 <pockeylam>	AI: everybody to look around to see if there is anybody from FOSS outside of SFD/I to be part of the competition committee
 154 May 15 22:27:19 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: well we could ask sponsors to supply people eventually
 155 May 15 22:27:47 <kjcole>	Tim O'Reilly?
 156 May 15 22:28:04 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: then we should involved O'Reilly in the event
 157 May 15 22:28:22 <pockeylam>	good idea
 158 May 15 22:28:25 <BLUG_Fred>	i'm not sure how hot they would be, but I can ask
 159 May 15 22:28:32 <BLUG_Fred>	(I might have in the past already)
 160 May 15 22:28:42 <cdrigby>	Suggestion: let's make a list of desired committee members, designate one of us to be the sole point-of-contact to approach them? Reduces duplication of effort and confusion.
 161 May 15 22:28:45 <BLUG_Fred>	(and if so, then it was a no - for sponsorship)
 162 May 15 22:29:14 <BLUG_Fred>	SFI should probably contact them then
 163 May 15 22:29:21 <cdrigby>	ok
 164 May 15 22:29:21 <BLUG_Fred>	since we would ask sponsors as well
 165 May 15 22:29:28 <cdrigby>	agreed
 166 May 15 22:29:43 <BLUG_Fred>	we could have people from FSFE I think
 167 May 15 22:29:49 <cdrigby>	So for us to create the list of desired committee members? Then pass to SFDI?
 168 May 15 22:29:56 <BLUG_Fred>	maybe I can ask the new ED from FSF as well
 169 May 15 22:30:04 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes
 170 May 15 22:31:35 <pockeylam>	i think we can talk to more people, and see who we can get
 171 May 15 22:31:48 <pockeylam>	let's target to have 5 members in the committee
 172 May 15 22:31:57 <pockeylam>	everybody spread the word
 173 May 15 22:31:58 <BLUG_Fred>	so we need to create a wiki page to put that list then
 174 May 15 22:32:05 <cdrigby>	pockeylam: +1
 175 May 15 22:32:07 <pockeylam>	i don't really expect very high profile people :)
 176 May 15 22:32:20 <pockeylam>	anybody who is a Free software advocate and have time is welcome
 177 May 15 22:32:29 <cdrigby>	Well, we cannot but ask.
 178 May 15 22:32:37 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
 179 May 15 22:32:38 <mike_ffsuk>	:)
 180 May 15 22:32:39 <BLUG_Fred>	we want people with ethic as well
 181 May 15 22:32:44 <pockeylam>	yeah
 182 May 15 22:32:51 <pockeylam>	advocate should have ethic
 183 May 15 22:33:09 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: so you want to add a targeted people list on that page?
 184 May 15 22:33:12 <pockeylam>	add a field " potential committee members
 185 May 15 22:33:18 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yep
 186 May 15 22:33:23 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: should and have are 2 different things
 187 May 15 22:33:23 <pockeylam>	one page is enough
 188 May 15 22:33:24 <pockeylam>	it's a start
 189 May 15 22:33:25 <cdrigby>	add to existing page: +1
 190 May 15 22:33:40 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: the board has been pretty serious about the rating, we don't want people who don t care
 191 May 15 22:33:51 <BLUG_Fred>	ok, so we'll use the same page
 192 May 15 22:33:54 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, right, so we can interview those candidates
 193 May 15 22:34:18 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, talk to them before they are in the committee
 194 May 15 22:35:13 <BLUG_Fred>	ok let's see what success we have
 195 May 15 22:35:38 <BLUG_Fred>	so next is wiki structure
 196 May 15 22:35:47 <BLUG_Fred>	i think everyone has seen the discussion on the mailing list
 197 May 15 22:36:10 <BLUG_Fred>	i was starting to create the new wiki pages for 2011, and since we had a lot of issues with those continent things last year...
 198 May 15 22:36:33 <BLUG_Fred>	so it seems the trend is to do without continents all together 
 199 May 15 22:36:51 <BLUG_Fred>	that would shorten the URL and avoid issues
 200 May 15 22:36:57 <BLUG_Fred>	i am ok with that.
 201 May 15 22:37:00 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, I would favour that.
 202 May 15 22:37:07 <BLUG_Fred>	the mailing list has not been very vocal about the issue
 203 May 15 22:37:13 <BLUG_Fred>	i think 5 people replied at most
 204 May 15 22:37:28 <BLUG_Fred>	ok then...
 205 May 15 22:37:34 <BLUG_Fred>	so no continent
 206 May 15 22:38:09 <BLUG_Fred>	i ll review the templates and update the registration documentation, check start guide, etc
 207 May 15 22:38:17 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: that's an AI for me
 208 May 15 22:38:27 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, +1
 209 May 15 22:38:42 <cdrigby>	no continent: +1
 210 May 15 22:38:49 <BLUG_Fred>	so we're getting closer to opening registration... still need a logo and finished registration script...
 211 May 15 22:39:06 <BLUG_Fred>	so next topic: Marketing ideas 
 212 May 15 22:39:22 <BLUG_Fred>	I think we should start blogging about the stuff we're discussing and doing
 213 May 15 22:39:32 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, I wasn't entirely sure if you were asking that in your email, but I only skim read as I've been busy.
 214 May 15 22:39:32 <BLUG_Fred>	i have been busy with other stuff unfortunately
 215 May 15 22:39:44 <LeandroNunes>	BLUG_Fred: once the review is complete, what about to send a flag to translation lists?
 216 May 15 22:39:47 <kjcole>	"It's a small world, after all" plus sea levels are rising. ;-) No continents. +1
 217 May 15 22:40:06 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: yes
 218 May 15 22:40:30 <BLUG_Fred>	i think we need to also push on that side (translations): it's been slow to kick off
 219 May 15 22:40:52 <BLUG_Fred>	does anybody feel like sharing the editor job on the SFI blog?
 220 May 15 22:41:01 <BLUG_Fred>	well.. the SFD website blog
 221 May 15 22:41:19 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, there is the ISO two letter country codes to help shorten links.
 222 May 15 22:41:21 <BLUG_Fred>	someone who can write proper English that is... without spending half a day
 223 May 15 22:41:42 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, said he is interested to writing blog posts and news , right?
 224 May 15 22:41:43 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: well we have a URL shortener service
 225 May 15 22:41:45 <cdrigby>	I can help w/ editing, English-only.
 226 May 15 22:41:57 <BLUG_Fred>	so I wasn't really concerned about that issue in fact (some people were though)
 227 May 15 22:42:04 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: ok thank you.
 228 May 15 22:42:12 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, yes but should be short by default, imo.
 229 May 15 22:42:25 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: so we can get back to that later when we do scheduling
 230 May 15 22:42:42 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: /coountry/region/city/team will never be very short
 231 May 15 22:42:52 <BLUG_Fred>	and full country name is good for SEO i think
 232 May 15 22:43:20 <cdrigby>	Also writing, not just editing what others write.
 233 May 15 22:43:36 <kjcole>	If it would help anywhere, I have an SQL table of ISO numbers, ISO 3-letter abbreviations, ISO 2-letter abbreviations, and ISO country names.
 234 May 15 22:43:37 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: but then maybe it bring the question of whether country names should be in English or in local language
 235 May 15 22:44:03 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes in my sens editors do all the work ;-)
 236 May 15 22:44:03 <pockeylam>	+ 1 SEO is important
 237 May 15 22:44:19 <cdrigby>	Tech query: can we go w/ English for a country name, w/ a redirect link to that from a native language version?
 238 May 15 22:44:21 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, yeah, we need someone who help to write news :)
 239 May 15 22:44:22 <kjcole>	(BLUG_Fred: My table names are in English.)
 240 May 15 22:44:23 <BLUG_Fred>	i can see people search for SFD Russia
 241 May 15 22:44:38 <BLUG_Fred>	but Russian people most likely won't in fact
 242 May 15 22:45:41 <BLUG_Fred>	i think it's a complicated issue
 243 May 15 22:45:42 <LeandroNunes>	BLUG_Fred: english name is good to have a standard...
 244 May 15 22:45:58 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: sure... but you also need to think about effectiveness 
 245 May 15 22:46:25 <BLUG_Fred>	I don't have an answer by the way, I'm just thinking loud
 246 May 15 22:46:25 <cdrigby>	Can we go w/ a directory structure of /country/[city|region]/team? I. e., city XOR region, as appropriate to the particular country?
 247 May 15 22:46:42 <mike_ffsuk>	iso two letter country codes?
 248 May 15 22:46:42 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: usa uses both
 249 May 15 22:46:46 <BLUG_Fred>	ah..
 250 May 15 22:47:10 <mike_ffsuk>	US, GB, FR, DE, ...
 251 May 15 22:47:11 <kjcole>	In case of language confusion, a picture is worth a thousand translations: Advertise (and redirect on error) to a clickable map that offers a language?
 252 May 15 22:47:27 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: we have a clickable map
 253 May 15 22:47:36 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: yes, but for USA we can do "city, state". Well, without a comma, of course.
 254 May 15 22:47:42 <BLUG_Fred>	but text searches are still very popular
 255 May 15 22:47:46 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, +1 clickable map
 256 May 15 22:47:58 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: it's already here
 257 May 15 22:48:09 <BLUG_Fred>	but it doesn't change the wiki url name issues
 258 May 15 22:48:21 <BLUG_Fred>	1 is country should be referenced 
 259 May 15 22:48:27 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: I know there's a clickable map, but I'm wondering if there's a way to "encourage" searches to end up there if nothing more obvious pops up.
 260 May 15 22:48:37 <BLUG_Fred>	2 what language is best for indexing each country
 261 May 15 22:49:01 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: "encourage searches to end there" is way out of my league
 262 May 15 22:49:39 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: we do promote the map as much as possible, but search engine indexing is way too complex to get a 2nd best choice guaranteed 
 263 May 15 22:49:54 <BLUG_Fred>	the easy way is of course to keep doing what we've done in the past
 264 May 15 22:50:28 <BLUG_Fred>	and then we could put a link to the map in each country/region/city page
 265 May 15 22:51:22 <cdrigby>	country/region (perhaps blank?)/city/team (perhaps blank if only one team)?
 266 May 15 22:51:32 <BLUG_Fred>	that's rather easy since we promote template usage for those (while not everyone does use them, I go and do a lot of manual edits)
 267 May 15 22:51:41 <cdrigby>	Singapore is a special case, as it is regionless country/city only.
 268 May 15 22:51:50 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes Singapore is special
 269 May 15 22:52:04 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: in fact there are probably 3-4 places that are special...
 270 May 15 22:52:15 <BLUG_Fred>	but we can deal with those on a case by case basis
 271 May 15 22:52:40 <BLUG_Fred>	i still thing city/team is compulsory. there was some abuse last year with team taking the city page
 272 May 15 22:52:45 <kjcole>	cdrigby: Like DC: a stateless city. ;-)
 273 May 15 22:52:49 <BLUG_Fred>	(and removing other teams...)
 274 May 15 22:54:04 <BLUG_Fred>	so maybe we can start this way all in English 
 275 May 15 22:54:20 <cdrigby>	brb
 276 May 15 22:54:26 <BLUG_Fred>	i remember also we had issues with space and special characters in URLs because of the registration script
 277 May 15 22:54:31 <BLUG_Fred>	that should be fixed this year
 278 May 15 22:54:34 <BLUG_Fred>	(already)
 279 May 15 22:55:33 <verow>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo#preview
 280 May 15 22:55:42 <BLUG_Fred>	well i'll give it a bit more thoughts.. 
 281 May 15 22:56:37 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, yes, "United Kingdom" was fun.
 282 May 15 22:56:46 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: oh yes... 
 283 May 15 22:56:59 <cdrigby>	verow: OK, all proposed logos on one page? I'm OK w/ this.
 284 May 15 22:57:51 <BLUG_Fred>	so more thinking , we still have a bit of time
 285 May 15 22:57:58 <cdrigby>	yep
 286 May 15 22:58:03 <BLUG_Fred>	i think we should also bring the discussion to the sfd-discuss list
 287 May 15 22:58:12 <cdrigby>	agreed
 288 May 15 22:58:14 <BLUG_Fred>	since team leaders should be involved
 289 May 15 22:58:20 <verow>	+1
 290 May 15 22:58:31 <BLUG_Fred>	even if they don't reply, they were consulted at least
 291 May 15 22:58:46 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: AI
 292 May 15 22:58:52 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, yes.
 293 May 15 22:58:59 <BLUG_Fred>	so next item would be the t-shirt transfer thingy 
 294 May 15 22:59:11 <verow>	yep
 295 May 15 22:59:40 <BLUG_Fred>	1st Matt Oquist, SFI founder, VP and Treasurer mentioned it had been considered and not pursued in the past because of quality issue
 296 May 15 23:00:02 <BLUG_Fred>	pockey searched and identify several qualities, ordered and did some ironing 
 297 May 15 23:00:03 <BLUG_Fred>	:P
 298 May 15 23:00:15 <BLUG_Fred>	now all my white t-shirts are unwearable :D:D
 299 May 15 23:00:29 <mike_ffsuk>	:)
 300 May 15 23:00:45 <BLUG_Fred>	I have some mickey mouse all over..
 301 May 15 23:01:00 <BLUG_Fred>	seriously it was not so bad 
 302 May 15 23:01:17 <BLUG_Fred>	i think pockeylam uploaded a photo of the result somewhere on the wiki
 303 May 15 23:01:32 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/TShirt
 304 May 15 23:01:35 <pockeylam>	it's just a sample
 305 May 15 23:01:59 <pockeylam>	i put the size of the cartoon, the steps to do it in the page
 306 May 15 23:02:30 <verow>	lol the sample :-D
 307 May 15 23:02:46 <verow>	far away from PD licence :-P
 308 May 15 23:02:49 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: so no joke please...
 309 May 15 23:03:01 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: those were the free samples we got
 310 May 15 23:03:02 <pockeylam>	i left a little piece on the sticker when i did the iron transfer
 311 May 15 23:03:07 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: so we didn't get to pick
 312 May 15 23:03:09 <verow>	ah aprdon, cé sérieux ici :-D
 313 May 15 23:03:18 <BLUG_Fred>	we only had to pay for express fee
 314 May 15 23:03:21 <BLUG_Fred>	(transportation)
 315 May 15 23:03:26 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: haha.. non non
 316 May 15 23:03:30 <pockeylam>	haha, yeah, we didn't know what we would get ;-)
 317 May 15 23:04:08 <BLUG_Fred>	there is minie as well I think
 318 May 15 23:04:12 <pockeylam>	anybody has comment on the quality?
 319 May 15 23:04:28 <pockeylam>	i think it's acceptable...
 320 May 15 23:04:29 <LeandroNunes>	whats the meaning of the second picture
 321 May 15 23:04:36 <LeandroNunes>	i've removed the sticker ?
 322 May 15 23:04:39 <pockeylam>	the 2nd picture is a sticker
 323 May 15 23:04:57 <pockeylam>	i kept a little pc on the sticker
 324 May 15 23:05:11 <LeandroNunes>	ah, ok
 325 May 15 23:05:11 <pockeylam>	the leftover of the labels
 326 May 15 23:05:20 <BLUG_Fred>	yes.. so pointy design don't unglue so well
 327 May 15 23:05:21 <pockeylam>	i failed to transfer the whole logo
 328 May 15 23:05:26 <pockeylam>	yeah
 329 May 15 23:05:28 <pockeylam>	exactly
 330 May 15 23:05:34 <pockeylam>	pointed design has a bit of issue
 331 May 15 23:05:36 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: that was the size of an iron or bigger?
 332 May 15 23:05:48 <pockeylam>	size of the iron
 333 May 15 23:06:07 <pockeylam>	u can see, the side was not so well transferred as well
 334 May 15 23:06:20 <BLUG_Fred>	so what we could do is still include 3 "normal t-shirts" and then 5 to 10 transfer t-shirts stickers
 335 May 15 23:06:23 <pockeylam>	maybe it's better to have a big piece
 336 May 15 23:06:40 <BLUG_Fred>	or more
 337 May 15 23:06:55 <LeandroNunes>	yep
 338 May 15 23:06:59 <BLUG_Fred>	i was wondering how easy it is for people to find 'blank' t-shirts
 339 May 15 23:07:01 <pockeylam>	yep, depends on our budget
 340 May 15 23:07:10 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, me too
 341 May 15 23:07:18 <BLUG_Fred>	I looked in the supermarkets where I live and .. none
 342 May 15 23:07:20 <pockeylam>	is it easy to find blank tshirts in your countries?
 343 May 15 23:07:36 <LeandroNunes>	Brazil: yes
 344 May 15 23:07:45 <BLUG_Fred>	all have shitty stuff on them.. and when they don't they are thick like cigarette paper...
 345 May 15 23:08:04 <LeandroNunes>	around 6 or 7 dollars
 346 May 15 23:08:12 <BLUG_Fred>	i suppose that with a bit of planning one can find some online though
 347 May 15 23:08:20 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, I think real + stickers in a good compromise.
 348 May 15 23:08:38 <BLUG_Fred>	that quality was the medium quality...
 349 May 15 23:08:39 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes, where reu ?
 350 May 15 23:08:48 <BLUG_Fred>	we have received 3 levels of quality right pockeylam ?
 351 May 15 23:09:19 <LeandroNunes>	pockeylam: sorry ?
 352 May 15 23:09:22 <cdrigby>	USA: easy to find shirts.
 353 May 15 23:09:24 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes, where are you ?
 354 May 15 23:09:27 <LeandroNunes>	Brazil
 355 May 15 23:09:43 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes, i see :) thanks!
 356 May 15 23:09:44 <BLUG_Fred>	ok..
 357 May 15 23:09:55 <BLUG_Fred>	the better quality ones we have are much bigger than the iron
 358 May 15 23:10:06 <BLUG_Fred>	so it might be tricky to do.. i might give it a try though
 359 May 15 23:10:20 <mike_ffsuk>	UK: think its not too hard.
 360 May 15 23:10:52 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. so probably a mix of 3 t-shirts + the stickers is preferred then
 361 May 15 23:11:13 <kjcole>	The mention of "cartoon" earlier made me think: One PyCon a few years ago used an XKCD comic on the conference T-Shirt...  Granted the humor is written in English, but the author may be able to gin up something special for SFD.
 362 May 15 23:11:18 <BLUG_Fred>	and the designs might be different since it's probably easier to work with size that are smaller than the iron itself
 363 May 15 23:11:34 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, if people have more people helping then that's more to find blank t-shirts. :)
 364 May 15 23:12:01 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: hehehe.. yes
 365 May 15 23:12:20 <pockeylam>	haha
 366 May 15 23:12:28 <BLUG_Fred>	and they can surely try other colors
 367 May 15 23:12:54 <pockeylam>	once logo is finalized, we can start to design goodies
 368 May 15 23:12:58 <BLUG_Fred>	we should just ensure we don't have pointy angles on our logos
 369 May 15 23:13:19 <BLUG_Fred>	so maybe in a square, a circle or a rounded corner rectangle
 370 May 15 23:13:28 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yep, maybe a big piece
 371 May 15 23:13:34 <BLUG_Fred>	i'll let the designers figure that out ;-)
 372 May 15 23:13:36 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, rounded corner rectangle sounds good
 373 May 15 23:13:44 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, let's finalize the logo in 1 week?
 374 May 15 23:13:50 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, so we have enough time to do the design?
 375 May 15 23:14:31 <BLUG_Fred>	so next item is Schedule milestones to SFD 
 376 May 15 23:14:36 <cdrigby>	So, this is resolved as: Provide each team with some real shirts, plus multiple iron on logos, once logo design is finalized.
 377 May 15 23:14:43 <cdrigby>	Confirm, please?
 378 May 15 23:14:44 <BLUG_Fred>	it's already :15 past the hour
 379 May 15 23:14:50 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, yep !
 380 May 15 23:14:51 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes
 381 May 15 23:15:13 <BLUG_Fred>	which help us to provide more t-shirts without increasing our cost too much
 382 May 15 23:15:20 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, right
 383 May 15 23:15:24 <verow>	logo design is ongooing process
 384 May 15 23:15:29 <pockeylam>	verow, great!
 385 May 15 23:15:36 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: hehe.. you have a very big screen right?
 386 May 15 23:15:44 <LeandroNunes>	ok
 387 May 15 23:16:02 <verow>	thnaks to pockeylam who gave me her svg
 388 May 15 23:16:11 <BLUG_Fred>	so is everybody ok continuing?
 389 May 15 23:16:17 <verow>	I have a 14" screen
 390 May 15 23:16:22 <BLUG_Fred>	scheduling is a bit piece
 391 May 15 23:16:39 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: ah? because your logo goes way out of my screen on your upload ;-)
 392 May 15 23:16:57 <BLUG_Fred>	14" with a 2500x2000 pixels resolution? ;-)
 393 May 15 23:17:14 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: 2,160px × 1,713px actually
 394 May 15 23:17:15 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 395 May 15 23:17:40 <cdrigby>	OK, marked as resolved.
 396 May 15 23:18:02 <cdrigby>	resolved, schedule: finalize logo this week.
 397 May 15 23:18:30 <mike_ffsuk>	where we up to?
 398 May 15 23:18:50 <BLUG_Fred>	asking if people are ok to stay another... xx minutes
 399 May 15 23:18:54 <BLUG_Fred>	to cover scheduling
 400 May 15 23:18:57 <pockeylam>	i m ok to stay
 401 May 15 23:19:01 <LeandroNunes>	yes: 30 minutes
 402 May 15 23:19:03 <BLUG_Fred>	like the big milestones before launch
 403 May 15 23:19:09 <cdrigby>	OK to continue
 404 May 15 23:19:18 <BLUG_Fred>	communication, registration opening, etc
 405 May 15 23:19:53 <BLUG_Fred>	oh yes.. i was forgetting : we also talked with Linux... 2 sec
 406 May 15 23:20:47 <BLUG_Fred>	Linux Journal
 407 May 15 23:20:57 <BLUG_Fred>	we will get one page advertisement for SFD
 408 May 15 23:21:03 <kjcole>	I can hang for a bit longer, until milady Jen says "Hurry up or we'll be late to our afternoon gathering"
 409 May 15 23:21:11 <BLUG_Fred>	we can chose either August or September edition
 410 May 15 23:21:23 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: haha
 411 May 15 23:22:08 <BLUG_Fred>	we already have the same deal with Ubuntu Users and Linux Magazine
 412 May 15 23:22:11 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: Nice!  August edition would probably be better.  People do buy at the newstand, and often in the month that a mag actually displays on its cover.
 413 May 15 23:22:37 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: yes.. i wasn't sure which month was better actually
 414 May 15 23:22:43 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: So, September might end up being too late for some magazine purchasers.
 415 May 15 23:22:47 <BLUG_Fred>	we have 2 targets: team leaders and participants
 416 May 15 23:22:57 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: ah.. i see
 417 May 15 23:23:14 <kjcole>	Speaking of magazines: Full Circle ?
 418 May 15 23:23:16 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: now participants (the one we really really want) probably don't read those magazines
 419 May 15 23:23:26 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: it's free pdf right?
 420 May 15 23:23:41 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: i only know the Chinese editors
 421 May 15 23:23:59 *	mike__ (~mike@94-193-81-215.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #sfd-marketing
 422 May 15 23:24:05 <verow>	I can relay ads to Linux Pratique (French)
 423 May 15 23:24:16 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, i would say september is better
 424 May 15 23:24:23 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: are they printed press or online?
 425 May 15 23:24:25 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: Yeah. Free PDF. http://fullcirclemagazine.org/
 426 May 15 23:24:26 <cdrigby>	Also, social network posts are significant. Do we have an FB page where we can promote?
 427 May 15 23:24:27 <mike__>	technical issues! what did I miss.
 428 May 15 23:24:32 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, sept edition will be found in august :)
 429 May 15 23:24:38 <verow>	and to Net Media Europe netmediaeurope.fr
 430 May 15 23:24:43 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, it usually release half a month earlier
 431 May 15 23:24:47 <BLUG_Fred>	for Linux Journal the deadline is 25th this month
 432 May 15 23:24:52 <BLUG_Fred>	for August edition
 433 May 15 23:24:54 <verow>	outch
 434 May 15 23:25:02 <pockeylam>	verrow and i can work on the design?
 435 May 15 23:25:06 <pockeylam>	verow, can we ?
 436 May 15 23:25:14 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: it's ok, we can use the same page as last year, update the photos and ... hop
 437 May 15 23:25:19 <pockeylam>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SFD_ad.png
 438 May 15 23:25:21 <verow>	yes we can of course pockeylam
 439 May 15 23:25:22 *	mike__ is now known as mike_uk
 440 May 15 23:25:22 <pockeylam>	it's the design for last year
 441 May 15 23:25:28 <pockeylam>	we can modify it to match the deadline
 442 May 15 23:25:30 <verow>	et hop là
 443 May 15 23:25:32 <pockeylam>	but we need a new logo soon
 444 May 15 23:25:40 <BLUG_Fred>	for other publications, especially non-English ones,  we'll need help.
 445 May 15 23:25:44 <verow>	the logo => Tuesday at last
 446 May 15 23:25:55 <verow>	I'll make a FR one
 447 May 15 23:25:58 <BLUG_Fred>	it would be nice to have Brazil for example or Vietnam or France
 448 May 15 23:26:01 <pockeylam>	verow, nice
 449 May 15 23:26:08 <BLUG_Fred>	we need to contact local press and see
 450 May 15 23:26:25 <verow>	BLUG_Fred will check my work (fôtes de frappe, doigts carrés)
 451 May 15 23:26:37 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: who is that guy/
 452 May 15 23:26:38 <BLUG_Fred>	?
 453 May 15 23:27:00 <BLUG_Fred>	we should quickly pick the new logo, since we'll use it in the ad
 454 May 15 23:27:05 <BLUG_Fred>	(i hope)
 455 May 15 23:27:05 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yes...
 456 May 15 23:27:08 <LeandroNunes>	BLUG_Fred: here we have some blogs that are the best way to promote the event
 457 May 15 23:27:09 <BLUG_Fred>	and deadline is 25th
 458 May 15 23:27:11 <verow>	ok BLUG_Fred
 459 May 15 23:27:17 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: ok
 460 May 15 23:27:21 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: so we have time then
 461 May 15 23:27:52 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: when do you think  you can get confirmation on the license?
 462 May 15 23:27:57 <pockeylam>	how about we finalize the logo by 18 may?
 463 May 15 23:28:08 <pockeylam>	in 3 - 4 days?
 464 May 15 23:28:10 <BLUG_Fred>	i would be for picking what we have now
 465 May 15 23:28:13 <verow>	ok pockeylam
 466 May 15 23:28:26 <LeandroNunes>	BLUG_Fred: and some events (like FISL http://softwarelivre.org/fisl12)  where we will participate and promote SFD
 467 May 15 23:28:30 <BLUG_Fred>	but i don t want to push .. just from experience it's very easy to miss deadlines
 468 May 15 23:29:04 <LeandroNunes>	about 8k participants, from all Brazil regions and so many countries
 469 May 15 23:29:20 <verow>	mine is Tuesday as I have a very sticky / busy IRC meeting on Thursday
 470 May 15 23:29:29 <LeandroNunes>	we will have our stand :)
 471 May 15 23:29:37 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes: but they are all convinces of the usefulness of Software Freedom ;-)
 472 May 15 23:30:00 <mike_uk>	Debconf on is end of July.
 473 May 15 23:30:32 <mike_uk>	I've got to leave this meeting soon, is there much more to go?
 474 May 15 23:30:51 <LeandroNunes>	oh, for sure... the focus is to get Team Leaders
 475 May 15 23:31:18 <BLUG_Fred>	i have this so far
 476 May 15 23:31:18 <pockeylam>	mike_ffsuk, i think this is the last agenda
 477 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred>	Logo decision	-> May 18th
 478 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred>	Press Ad	-> May 25th
 479 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred>	List conferences to attend/
 480 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred>	where to promote -> 
 481 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred>	Open registration -> End of May
 482 May 15 23:31:34 <BLUG_Fred>	I will create a wiki page and we can list stuff little by little
 483 May 15 23:31:49 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, good stuff.
 484 May 15 23:32:11 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: ok.. AI myself with that one 
 485 May 15 23:32:13 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, please check the requirement of file format and let verow know
 486 May 15 23:32:23 <BLUG_Fred>	i'll email the list and we can all add the main stuff there
 487 May 15 23:32:29 <verow>	ok
 488 May 15 23:32:34 <verow>	thanks
 489 May 15 23:32:44 <BLUG_Fred>	and then i suppose we are done for today
 490 May 15 23:32:53 <verow>	\o/
 491 May 15 23:32:59 <BLUG_Fred>	thank you everyone
 492 May 15 23:33:23 <BLUG_Fred>	i will have a busy upcoming week. I want to finish the SFD 2010 annual report... :-/
 493 May 15 23:33:25 <LeandroNunes>	thanks
 494 May 15 23:33:27 <verow>	thank you all
 495 May 15 23:33:29 <BLUG_Fred>	that would be our 1st one
 496 May 15 23:33:30 <kjcole>	I hope to be able to participate more as my other Sunday commitment winds down.  Later.
 497 May 15 23:33:37 <mike_ffsuk>	thanks everyone.
 498 May 15 23:33:37 <BLUG_Fred>	nice
 499 May 15 23:33:48 <BLUG_Fred>	so next meeting on Sunday 29th
 500 May 15 23:33:57 <BLUG_Fred>	same place, same time
 501 May 15 23:34:00 <mike_ffsuk>	BLUG_Fred, if you want me to proof read then I can.
 502 May 15 23:34:05 <BLUG_Fred>	we should be at registration opening!
 503 May 15 23:34:05 <pockeylam>	yep
 504 May 15 23:34:11 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_ffsuk: thank you
 505 May 15 23:34:29 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: thank you for taking notes 
 506 May 15 23:34:46 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: i can upload the log if you want?
 507 May 15 23:35:46 <cdrigby>	Thanks all, meeting notes should be up in an hour or so.
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