Attachment '20110515.weechatlog'
Download 1 May 15 22:00:09 <mike_ffsuk> hi BLUG_Fred
2 May 15 22:01:13 <LeandroNunes> hi Fred
3 May 15 22:01:53 <verow> hi BLUG_Fred
4 May 15 22:01:56 <cdrigby> Hello Fred
5 May 15 22:02:04 <cdrigby> Hello Mike
6 May 15 22:02:16 <verow> on m'a demandé si SFD était un acronyme de SDF :-P
7 May 15 22:02:37 <BLUG_Fred> hi
8 May 15 22:02:52 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ah y a des gens qui ont de l'humour
9 May 15 22:03:00 <BLUG_Fred> verow: oui on est tous SDF ds l'ame...
10 May 15 22:03:13 <verow> meuh non, sommes nomades :-D
11 May 15 22:03:17 <BLUG_Fred> sorry I was making a cup of tea before the meeting
12 May 15 22:03:24 <BLUG_Fred> verow: pareil non?
13 May 15 22:03:41 <BLUG_Fred> I just made a better version of today's agenda here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-05-15
14 May 15 22:04:06 <verow> ah non, nomade est un choix de vie mais SDF est souvent un désastre qui te conduit à ne plus manger dormir et te laver
15 May 15 22:04:19 <verow> nomade vit normalement mais en déplacement
16 May 15 22:04:37 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ah.. je croyais que pas se laver c'était francais en fait ;-)
17 May 15 22:04:51 <verow> loul
18 May 15 22:05:03 <verow> sorry everybody for this FRench conversation
19 May 15 22:05:09 <BLUG_Fred> we're getting less attendance
20 May 15 22:05:30 <verow> I have a friend who made a "private joke" on SFD
21 May 15 22:05:54 <verow> we have SDF in French that means "homeless"
22 May 15 22:05:56 * pockeylam (~pockeylam@119.121.79.186) has joined #sfd-marketing
23 May 15 22:06:01 <cdrigby> verow: {8->
24 May 15 22:06:06 <BLUG_Fred> it's :05 maybe we should start
25 May 15 22:06:13 <verow> he asked me if SFD was acronym :-p
26 May 15 22:06:15 <LeandroNunes> ok
27 May 15 22:06:36 <LeandroNunes> oh! first... sorry abou the delay on creating the page for "contacts". I'll create it today
28 May 15 22:06:58 <BLUG_Fred> agenda for today:
29 May 15 22:07:00 <verow> ok, as I said, I'll be there on a dotted "line" as I have troubles about Linux Azur that I have to resolve before tomorrow
30 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Review past action items
31 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Discuss SFD logo
32 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Wiki structure
33 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Marketing ideas
34 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Schedule milestones to SFD
35 May 15 22:07:00 <BLUG_Fred> Assign teams to important tasks/dates defined above
36 May 15 22:07:08 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: no problem
37 May 15 22:07:14 <cdrigby> verow: Oui, les blagues "trans-linguistiques" m'amuse beaucoup !
38 May 15 22:07:38 <BLUG_Fred> I think logos files and licenses have been uploaded and clarified
39 May 15 22:07:42 <BLUG_Fred> so that's done as well
40 May 15 22:07:54 <cdrigby> BLUG_Fred: do we have a secretary for today?
41 May 15 22:08:04 <BLUG_Fred> I however should ask if anyone want to be secretary today?
42 May 15 22:08:10 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: you do read minds...
43 May 15 22:08:23 <cdrigby> Wiki page of logos is here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogoMaxus
44 May 15 22:08:36 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: well then yes please, no one is fighting for the role
45 May 15 22:09:20 <cdrigby> OK, I will take notes. The rest of my day is relatively clear, unlike last week. I should be able to get them up a lot faster.
46 May 15 22:09:22 <BLUG_Fred> and initial logo is http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
47 May 15 22:09:26 <pockeylam> i also changed the font of the logo by myself http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
48 May 15 22:09:39 <pockeylam> i modified the "f"
49 May 15 22:09:44 <pockeylam> to make it look like f now :)
50 May 15 22:09:59 <mike_ffsuk> pockeylam, :)
51 May 15 22:10:06 <cdrigby> pokeylam: good deal. So we do have some choices.
52 May 15 22:10:13 <pockeylam> cdrigby, yep
53 May 15 22:10:34 <pockeylam> and i intend to make the logo licensed under public domain
54 May 15 22:11:05 <BLUG_Fred> i personally have a problem with CC-NC
55 May 15 22:11:21 <mike_ffsuk> pockeylam, still has the penguin. Is that going to stay?
56 May 15 22:11:26 <cdrigby> BLUG_Fred: how would you like to see it changed?
57 May 15 22:11:41 <BLUG_Fred> there are lots of discussions online about why CC-NC is a non-free license
58 May 15 22:11:44 <cdrigby> mike_ffsuk: open to discussion.
59 May 15 22:11:57 <pockeylam> mike_ffsuk, what penguin? my logo is here http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo where is the penguin? ;)
60 May 15 22:12:04 <cdrigby> BLUG_Fred: understood.
61 May 15 22:12:05 <BLUG_Fred> and then the BY as well for the reason I stated at the last meeting
62 May 15 22:12:22 <cdrigby> pockeylam: it is the Maxus proposed logo that has the penguin.
63 May 15 22:12:23 <mike_ffsuk> pockeylam, hiding in the hill. :)
64 May 15 22:12:33 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: i think mike_ffsuk is talking about the Maxxus logo
65 May 15 22:12:36 <pockeylam> cdrigby, i see, ok, we can remove the penguin
66 May 15 22:12:39 <BLUG_Fred> oops.. only 1 X
67 May 15 22:13:00 <BLUG_Fred> we mentioned it last time as well...
68 May 15 22:13:04 <pockeylam> cdrigby, to make a generic mountain if we picked Maxus logo
69 May 15 22:13:05 <verow> i'm looking at the svg file
70 May 15 22:13:13 <pockeylam> verow, http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
71 May 15 22:13:25 <pockeylam> verow, did you make yours? if yes, upload it, so we have more choices
72 May 15 22:13:30 <LeandroNunes> is that, right ? http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogoMaxus
73 May 15 22:13:33 <BLUG_Fred> I also feel uncomfortable asking each and every SFD team using the logo to credit a company
74 May 15 22:13:42 <verow> and we can make the hill become a hill and not a penguin
75 May 15 22:13:42 <mike_ffsuk> pockeylam, sorry was looking at the wrong one. Like yours.
76 May 15 22:13:52 <verow> I could not work on PNG files
77 May 15 22:14:04 <BLUG_Fred> verow: you didn't find the SVGs?
78 May 15 22:14:07 <pockeylam> verow, there is svg file
79 May 15 22:14:08 <verow> no
80 May 15 22:14:11 <cdrigby> verow: link to SVG file included for Maxus logo
81 May 15 22:14:15 <pockeylam> verow, click "action" , the attach file
82 May 15 22:14:18 <BLUG_Fred> verow: you need to click on Actions then select attachments
83 May 15 22:14:20 <kjcole> Dang. I like the subtlety of the penguin. I realize it's not just about Linux, so subliminal mascots from other apps could perhaps be incorporated...
84 May 15 22:14:22 <BLUG_Fred> and you'll see them
85 May 15 22:14:34 <mike_ffsuk> like the other without too without penguin.
86 May 15 22:14:41 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: yes.. then it's a LOT of mascotts
87 May 15 22:15:09 <cdrigby> brb
88 May 15 22:15:10 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: prefered license would be either PD or CC-BY to SFD
89 May 15 22:15:55 <BLUG_Fred> verow: et pas de mauvaise blague ;-)
90 May 15 22:16:23 <verow> outch !
91 May 15 22:16:27 <kjcole> BLUG_Fred, it doesn't have to be EVERY mascot, just a random sampling of the most recognizable... a firefox on the hill, with a thunderbird flying above, etc.
92 May 15 22:16:47 <pockeylam> kjcole, we can make a poster to include mascots..
93 May 15 22:16:53 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: 2 applications which are not exactly free software...
94 May 15 22:16:53 <pockeylam> kjcole, for logo,let's keep it simple :)
95 May 15 22:16:55 <mike_ffsuk> kjcole, that does sound cool.
96 May 15 22:17:10 <pockeylam> kjcole, we would like to include only mountain and the sun
97 May 15 22:17:34 <LeandroNunes> pockeylam: perfect
98 May 15 22:17:51 <kjcole> pockeylam: Ok. I can undersand not cluttering it up. I withdraw the idea for the logo.
99 May 15 22:17:58 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: it will make a very busy logo. we would like to have something that people easily recognize as US
100 May 15 22:18:03 <pockeylam> LeandroNunes, perfect for making a poster?
101 May 15 22:18:17 <LeandroNunes> pockeylam: it's so complicated to choose some logos to include on our logo...
102 May 15 22:18:23 <LeandroNunes> a posted would be perfect
103 May 15 22:18:27 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, yeah, mountain and the sun are our symbol , we use these elements as our logo for years
104 May 15 22:18:33 <pockeylam> LeandroNunes, sure, let's do it
105 May 15 22:18:37 <pockeylam> any volunteer to make the poster?
106 May 15 22:18:45 <cdrigby> agreed: multiple logos, FOSS or not depending on sponors, for posters; logo simple. This will vary based on which organizations sponsor a particular local event.
107 May 15 22:18:58 <pockeylam> verow, interested?
108 May 15 22:18:59 <BLUG_Fred> so cdrigby will check again with the author about the licensing terms
109 May 15 22:19:28 <BLUG_Fred> I'm surprised to be the only having an issue with CC-NC-BY to a business for a non profit organization
110 May 15 22:19:37 <BLUG_Fred> well the logo is for the event, not the org.. still
111 May 15 22:19:54 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, i agreed, to use either PD or CC-BY to SFD
112 May 15 22:19:58 <BLUG_Fred> would you guys credit another business for your own company logo?
113 May 15 22:20:02 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, mention SFD is fair enough :)
114 May 15 22:20:12 <verow> ok for the poster
115 May 15 22:20:17 <pockeylam> verow, cool!
116 May 15 22:20:29 <verow> and I do it before Tuesday
117 May 15 22:20:38 <cdrigby> OK, 2 action item for me: discuss licensing w/ author, PD or CC-BY preferred; also can we lose the penguin.
118 May 15 22:20:38 <verow> it is in my calendar
119 May 15 22:21:01 <pockeylam> AI; Verow will work on a generic poster to include some free software project mascots as our SFD poster 2011
120 May 15 22:21:04 <pockeylam> verow, nice
121 May 15 22:21:15 <cdrigby> verow: good!
122 May 15 22:21:22 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: we won't take it with the penguin is the general feeling
123 May 15 22:22:04 <BLUG_Fred> ok. so we won't pick the logo this time again
124 May 15 22:22:22 <BLUG_Fred> next past AI is drafting some rules towards the competition committee
125 May 15 22:22:32 <cdrigby> verow: confirmed AI for poster.
126 May 15 22:22:39 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam wrote an initial draft here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
127 May 15 22:23:09 <pockeylam> and we are calling for competition committee members
128 May 15 22:23:28 <BLUG_Fred> the number of participants is not high, but it has always been hard to get people from the board to review submissions
129 May 15 22:23:40 <pockeylam> yes, there are around 30 + submissions
130 May 15 22:23:46 <BLUG_Fred> (and I haven't been the fastest judge neither...)
131 May 15 22:23:54 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: sometimes 80+
132 May 15 22:24:09 <BLUG_Fred> any comment?
133 May 15 22:24:26 <pockeylam> it's fun to review all the submissions
134 May 15 22:24:40 <pockeylam> it takes only a few days to do it
135 May 15 22:24:44 <pockeylam> part time
136 May 15 22:24:49 <BLUG_Fred> so the good thing when you get to do it is that some submissions really are impressive
137 May 15 22:24:53 <cdrigby> I'm helping with a specific event (Singapore), so I disqualify myself from the Competitoin Committee.
138 May 15 22:24:53 <pockeylam> there are a lot of high quality submissions
139 May 15 22:25:05 <pockeylam> very enjoyable to read all their reports or webpages , photos
140 May 15 22:25:15 <BLUG_Fred> we could make a call for participants later during summer
141 May 15 22:25:25 <pockeylam> yep
142 May 15 22:25:32 <pockeylam> there must be a lot of organizers here
143 May 15 22:25:35 <pockeylam> i understand
144 May 15 22:25:35 <BLUG_Fred> worst case if no one commits we give it to SFI board again
145 May 15 22:25:42 <pockeylam> yep
146 May 15 22:25:48 <cdrigby> Would be nice if we could get some luminaries of FOSS from outside SFDI to be part of the committee...
147 May 15 22:26:06 <pockeylam> cdrigby, yeah, that's the purpose to have this committee
148 May 15 22:26:13 <mike_ffsuk> cdrigby, like that idea.
149 May 15 22:26:15 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: yes also. I offered RMS to rate but he was not hot about it
150 May 15 22:26:17 <BLUG_Fred> ;-)
151 May 15 22:26:40 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, Mark Shuttleworth. :D
152 May 15 22:26:43 <pockeylam> mike_ffsuk, cdrigby, please talk to those who maybe interested to join
153 May 15 22:27:11 <pockeylam> AI: everybody to look around to see if there is anybody from FOSS outside of SFD/I to be part of the competition committee
154 May 15 22:27:19 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: well we could ask sponsors to supply people eventually
155 May 15 22:27:47 <kjcole> Tim O'Reilly?
156 May 15 22:28:04 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: then we should involved O'Reilly in the event
157 May 15 22:28:22 <pockeylam> good idea
158 May 15 22:28:25 <BLUG_Fred> i'm not sure how hot they would be, but I can ask
159 May 15 22:28:32 <BLUG_Fred> (I might have in the past already)
160 May 15 22:28:42 <cdrigby> Suggestion: let's make a list of desired committee members, designate one of us to be the sole point-of-contact to approach them? Reduces duplication of effort and confusion.
161 May 15 22:28:45 <BLUG_Fred> (and if so, then it was a no - for sponsorship)
162 May 15 22:29:14 <BLUG_Fred> SFI should probably contact them then
163 May 15 22:29:21 <cdrigby> ok
164 May 15 22:29:21 <BLUG_Fred> since we would ask sponsors as well
165 May 15 22:29:28 <cdrigby> agreed
166 May 15 22:29:43 <BLUG_Fred> we could have people from FSFE I think
167 May 15 22:29:49 <cdrigby> So for us to create the list of desired committee members? Then pass to SFDI?
168 May 15 22:29:56 <BLUG_Fred> maybe I can ask the new ED from FSF as well
169 May 15 22:30:04 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: yes
170 May 15 22:31:35 <pockeylam> i think we can talk to more people, and see who we can get
171 May 15 22:31:48 <pockeylam> let's target to have 5 members in the committee
172 May 15 22:31:57 <pockeylam> everybody spread the word
173 May 15 22:31:58 <BLUG_Fred> so we need to create a wiki page to put that list then
174 May 15 22:32:05 <cdrigby> pockeylam: +1
175 May 15 22:32:07 <pockeylam> i don't really expect very high profile people :)
176 May 15 22:32:20 <pockeylam> anybody who is a Free software advocate and have time is welcome
177 May 15 22:32:29 <cdrigby> Well, we cannot but ask.
178 May 15 22:32:37 <pockeylam> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/CompetitionCommittee
179 May 15 22:32:38 <mike_ffsuk> :)
180 May 15 22:32:39 <BLUG_Fred> we want people with ethic as well
181 May 15 22:32:44 <pockeylam> yeah
182 May 15 22:32:51 <pockeylam> advocate should have ethic
183 May 15 22:33:09 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: so you want to add a targeted people list on that page?
184 May 15 22:33:12 <pockeylam> add a field " potential committee members
185 May 15 22:33:18 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, yep
186 May 15 22:33:23 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: should and have are 2 different things
187 May 15 22:33:23 <pockeylam> one page is enough
188 May 15 22:33:24 <pockeylam> it's a start
189 May 15 22:33:25 <cdrigby> add to existing page: +1
190 May 15 22:33:40 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: the board has been pretty serious about the rating, we don't want people who don t care
191 May 15 22:33:51 <BLUG_Fred> ok, so we'll use the same page
192 May 15 22:33:54 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, right, so we can interview those candidates
193 May 15 22:34:18 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, talk to them before they are in the committee
194 May 15 22:35:13 <BLUG_Fred> ok let's see what success we have
195 May 15 22:35:38 <BLUG_Fred> so next is wiki structure
196 May 15 22:35:47 <BLUG_Fred> i think everyone has seen the discussion on the mailing list
197 May 15 22:36:10 <BLUG_Fred> i was starting to create the new wiki pages for 2011, and since we had a lot of issues with those continent things last year...
198 May 15 22:36:33 <BLUG_Fred> so it seems the trend is to do without continents all together
199 May 15 22:36:51 <BLUG_Fred> that would shorten the URL and avoid issues
200 May 15 22:36:57 <BLUG_Fred> i am ok with that.
201 May 15 22:37:00 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, I would favour that.
202 May 15 22:37:07 <BLUG_Fred> the mailing list has not been very vocal about the issue
203 May 15 22:37:13 <BLUG_Fred> i think 5 people replied at most
204 May 15 22:37:28 <BLUG_Fred> ok then...
205 May 15 22:37:34 <BLUG_Fred> so no continent
206 May 15 22:38:09 <BLUG_Fred> i ll review the templates and update the registration documentation, check start guide, etc
207 May 15 22:38:17 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: that's an AI for me
208 May 15 22:38:27 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, +1
209 May 15 22:38:42 <cdrigby> no continent: +1
210 May 15 22:38:49 <BLUG_Fred> so we're getting closer to opening registration... still need a logo and finished registration script...
211 May 15 22:39:06 <BLUG_Fred> so next topic: Marketing ideas
212 May 15 22:39:22 <BLUG_Fred> I think we should start blogging about the stuff we're discussing and doing
213 May 15 22:39:32 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, I wasn't entirely sure if you were asking that in your email, but I only skim read as I've been busy.
214 May 15 22:39:32 <BLUG_Fred> i have been busy with other stuff unfortunately
215 May 15 22:39:44 <LeandroNunes> BLUG_Fred: once the review is complete, what about to send a flag to translation lists?
216 May 15 22:39:47 <kjcole> "It's a small world, after all" plus sea levels are rising. ;-) No continents. +1
217 May 15 22:40:06 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: yes
218 May 15 22:40:30 <BLUG_Fred> i think we need to also push on that side (translations): it's been slow to kick off
219 May 15 22:40:52 <BLUG_Fred> does anybody feel like sharing the editor job on the SFI blog?
220 May 15 22:41:01 <BLUG_Fred> well.. the SFD website blog
221 May 15 22:41:19 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, there is the ISO two letter country codes to help shorten links.
222 May 15 22:41:21 <BLUG_Fred> someone who can write proper English that is... without spending half a day
223 May 15 22:41:42 <pockeylam> cdrigby, said he is interested to writing blog posts and news , right?
224 May 15 22:41:43 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: well we have a URL shortener service
225 May 15 22:41:45 <cdrigby> I can help w/ editing, English-only.
226 May 15 22:41:57 <BLUG_Fred> so I wasn't really concerned about that issue in fact (some people were though)
227 May 15 22:42:04 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: ok thank you.
228 May 15 22:42:12 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, yes but should be short by default, imo.
229 May 15 22:42:25 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: so we can get back to that later when we do scheduling
230 May 15 22:42:42 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: /coountry/region/city/team will never be very short
231 May 15 22:42:52 <BLUG_Fred> and full country name is good for SEO i think
232 May 15 22:43:20 <cdrigby> Also writing, not just editing what others write.
233 May 15 22:43:36 <kjcole> If it would help anywhere, I have an SQL table of ISO numbers, ISO 3-letter abbreviations, ISO 2-letter abbreviations, and ISO country names.
234 May 15 22:43:37 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: but then maybe it bring the question of whether country names should be in English or in local language
235 May 15 22:44:03 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: yes in my sens editors do all the work ;-)
236 May 15 22:44:03 <pockeylam> + 1 SEO is important
237 May 15 22:44:19 <cdrigby> Tech query: can we go w/ English for a country name, w/ a redirect link to that from a native language version?
238 May 15 22:44:21 <pockeylam> cdrigby, yeah, we need someone who help to write news :)
239 May 15 22:44:22 <kjcole> (BLUG_Fred: My table names are in English.)
240 May 15 22:44:23 <BLUG_Fred> i can see people search for SFD Russia
241 May 15 22:44:38 <BLUG_Fred> but Russian people most likely won't in fact
242 May 15 22:45:41 <BLUG_Fred> i think it's a complicated issue
243 May 15 22:45:42 <LeandroNunes> BLUG_Fred: english name is good to have a standard...
244 May 15 22:45:58 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: sure... but you also need to think about effectiveness
245 May 15 22:46:25 <BLUG_Fred> I don't have an answer by the way, I'm just thinking loud
246 May 15 22:46:25 <cdrigby> Can we go w/ a directory structure of /country/[city|region]/team? I. e., city XOR region, as appropriate to the particular country?
247 May 15 22:46:42 <mike_ffsuk> iso two letter country codes?
248 May 15 22:46:42 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: usa uses both
249 May 15 22:46:46 <BLUG_Fred> ah..
250 May 15 22:47:10 <mike_ffsuk> US, GB, FR, DE, ...
251 May 15 22:47:11 <kjcole> In case of language confusion, a picture is worth a thousand translations: Advertise (and redirect on error) to a clickable map that offers a language?
252 May 15 22:47:27 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: we have a clickable map
253 May 15 22:47:36 <cdrigby> BLUG_Fred: yes, but for USA we can do "city, state". Well, without a comma, of course.
254 May 15 22:47:42 <BLUG_Fred> but text searches are still very popular
255 May 15 22:47:46 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, +1 clickable map
256 May 15 22:47:58 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: it's already here
257 May 15 22:48:09 <BLUG_Fred> but it doesn't change the wiki url name issues
258 May 15 22:48:21 <BLUG_Fred> 1 is country should be referenced
259 May 15 22:48:27 <kjcole> BLUG_Fred: I know there's a clickable map, but I'm wondering if there's a way to "encourage" searches to end up there if nothing more obvious pops up.
260 May 15 22:48:37 <BLUG_Fred> 2 what language is best for indexing each country
261 May 15 22:49:01 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: "encourage searches to end there" is way out of my league
262 May 15 22:49:39 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: we do promote the map as much as possible, but search engine indexing is way too complex to get a 2nd best choice guaranteed
263 May 15 22:49:54 <BLUG_Fred> the easy way is of course to keep doing what we've done in the past
264 May 15 22:50:28 <BLUG_Fred> and then we could put a link to the map in each country/region/city page
265 May 15 22:51:22 <cdrigby> country/region (perhaps blank?)/city/team (perhaps blank if only one team)?
266 May 15 22:51:32 <BLUG_Fred> that's rather easy since we promote template usage for those (while not everyone does use them, I go and do a lot of manual edits)
267 May 15 22:51:41 <cdrigby> Singapore is a special case, as it is regionless country/city only.
268 May 15 22:51:50 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: yes Singapore is special
269 May 15 22:52:04 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: in fact there are probably 3-4 places that are special...
270 May 15 22:52:15 <BLUG_Fred> but we can deal with those on a case by case basis
271 May 15 22:52:40 <BLUG_Fred> i still thing city/team is compulsory. there was some abuse last year with team taking the city page
272 May 15 22:52:45 <kjcole> cdrigby: Like DC: a stateless city. ;-)
273 May 15 22:52:49 <BLUG_Fred> (and removing other teams...)
274 May 15 22:54:04 <BLUG_Fred> so maybe we can start this way all in English
275 May 15 22:54:20 <cdrigby> brb
276 May 15 22:54:26 <BLUG_Fred> i remember also we had issues with space and special characters in URLs because of the registration script
277 May 15 22:54:31 <BLUG_Fred> that should be fixed this year
278 May 15 22:54:34 <BLUG_Fred> (already)
279 May 15 22:55:33 <verow> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo#preview
280 May 15 22:55:42 <BLUG_Fred> well i'll give it a bit more thoughts..
281 May 15 22:56:37 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, yes, "United Kingdom" was fun.
282 May 15 22:56:46 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: oh yes...
283 May 15 22:56:59 <cdrigby> verow: OK, all proposed logos on one page? I'm OK w/ this.
284 May 15 22:57:51 <BLUG_Fred> so more thinking , we still have a bit of time
285 May 15 22:57:58 <cdrigby> yep
286 May 15 22:58:03 <BLUG_Fred> i think we should also bring the discussion to the sfd-discuss list
287 May 15 22:58:12 <cdrigby> agreed
288 May 15 22:58:14 <BLUG_Fred> since team leaders should be involved
289 May 15 22:58:20 <verow> +1
290 May 15 22:58:31 <BLUG_Fred> even if they don't reply, they were consulted at least
291 May 15 22:58:46 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: AI
292 May 15 22:58:52 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, yes.
293 May 15 22:58:59 <BLUG_Fred> so next item would be the t-shirt transfer thingy
294 May 15 22:59:11 <verow> yep
295 May 15 22:59:40 <BLUG_Fred> 1st Matt Oquist, SFI founder, VP and Treasurer mentioned it had been considered and not pursued in the past because of quality issue
296 May 15 23:00:02 <BLUG_Fred> pockey searched and identify several qualities, ordered and did some ironing
297 May 15 23:00:03 <BLUG_Fred> :P
298 May 15 23:00:15 <BLUG_Fred> now all my white t-shirts are unwearable :D:D
299 May 15 23:00:29 <mike_ffsuk> :)
300 May 15 23:00:45 <BLUG_Fred> I have some mickey mouse all over..
301 May 15 23:01:00 <BLUG_Fred> seriously it was not so bad
302 May 15 23:01:17 <BLUG_Fred> i think pockeylam uploaded a photo of the result somewhere on the wiki
303 May 15 23:01:32 <pockeylam> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/TShirt
304 May 15 23:01:35 <pockeylam> it's just a sample
305 May 15 23:01:59 <pockeylam> i put the size of the cartoon, the steps to do it in the page
306 May 15 23:02:30 <verow> lol the sample :-D
307 May 15 23:02:46 <verow> far away from PD licence :-P
308 May 15 23:02:49 <BLUG_Fred> verow: so no joke please...
309 May 15 23:03:01 <BLUG_Fred> verow: those were the free samples we got
310 May 15 23:03:02 <pockeylam> i left a little piece on the sticker when i did the iron transfer
311 May 15 23:03:07 <BLUG_Fred> verow: so we didn't get to pick
312 May 15 23:03:09 <verow> ah aprdon, cé sérieux ici :-D
313 May 15 23:03:18 <BLUG_Fred> we only had to pay for express fee
314 May 15 23:03:21 <BLUG_Fred> (transportation)
315 May 15 23:03:26 <BLUG_Fred> verow: haha.. non non
316 May 15 23:03:30 <pockeylam> haha, yeah, we didn't know what we would get ;-)
317 May 15 23:04:08 <BLUG_Fred> there is minie as well I think
318 May 15 23:04:12 <pockeylam> anybody has comment on the quality?
319 May 15 23:04:28 <pockeylam> i think it's acceptable...
320 May 15 23:04:29 <LeandroNunes> whats the meaning of the second picture
321 May 15 23:04:36 <LeandroNunes> i've removed the sticker ?
322 May 15 23:04:39 <pockeylam> the 2nd picture is a sticker
323 May 15 23:04:57 <pockeylam> i kept a little pc on the sticker
324 May 15 23:05:11 <LeandroNunes> ah, ok
325 May 15 23:05:11 <pockeylam> the leftover of the labels
326 May 15 23:05:20 <BLUG_Fred> yes.. so pointy design don't unglue so well
327 May 15 23:05:21 <pockeylam> i failed to transfer the whole logo
328 May 15 23:05:26 <pockeylam> yeah
329 May 15 23:05:28 <pockeylam> exactly
330 May 15 23:05:34 <pockeylam> pointed design has a bit of issue
331 May 15 23:05:36 <BLUG_Fred> pockeylam: that was the size of an iron or bigger?
332 May 15 23:05:48 <pockeylam> size of the iron
333 May 15 23:06:07 <pockeylam> u can see, the side was not so well transferred as well
334 May 15 23:06:20 <BLUG_Fred> so what we could do is still include 3 "normal t-shirts" and then 5 to 10 transfer t-shirts stickers
335 May 15 23:06:23 <pockeylam> maybe it's better to have a big piece
336 May 15 23:06:40 <BLUG_Fred> or more
337 May 15 23:06:55 <LeandroNunes> yep
338 May 15 23:06:59 <BLUG_Fred> i was wondering how easy it is for people to find 'blank' t-shirts
339 May 15 23:07:01 <pockeylam> yep, depends on our budget
340 May 15 23:07:10 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, me too
341 May 15 23:07:18 <BLUG_Fred> I looked in the supermarkets where I live and .. none
342 May 15 23:07:20 <pockeylam> is it easy to find blank tshirts in your countries?
343 May 15 23:07:36 <LeandroNunes> Brazil: yes
344 May 15 23:07:45 <BLUG_Fred> all have shitty stuff on them.. and when they don't they are thick like cigarette paper...
345 May 15 23:08:04 <LeandroNunes> around 6 or 7 dollars
346 May 15 23:08:12 <BLUG_Fred> i suppose that with a bit of planning one can find some online though
347 May 15 23:08:20 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, I think real + stickers in a good compromise.
348 May 15 23:08:38 <BLUG_Fred> that quality was the medium quality...
349 May 15 23:08:39 <pockeylam> LeandroNunes, where reu ?
350 May 15 23:08:48 <BLUG_Fred> we have received 3 levels of quality right pockeylam ?
351 May 15 23:09:19 <LeandroNunes> pockeylam: sorry ?
352 May 15 23:09:22 <cdrigby> USA: easy to find shirts.
353 May 15 23:09:24 <pockeylam> LeandroNunes, where are you ?
354 May 15 23:09:27 <LeandroNunes> Brazil
355 May 15 23:09:43 <pockeylam> LeandroNunes, i see :) thanks!
356 May 15 23:09:44 <BLUG_Fred> ok..
357 May 15 23:09:55 <BLUG_Fred> the better quality ones we have are much bigger than the iron
358 May 15 23:10:06 <BLUG_Fred> so it might be tricky to do.. i might give it a try though
359 May 15 23:10:20 <mike_ffsuk> UK: think its not too hard.
360 May 15 23:10:52 <BLUG_Fred> ok.. so probably a mix of 3 t-shirts + the stickers is preferred then
361 May 15 23:11:13 <kjcole> The mention of "cartoon" earlier made me think: One PyCon a few years ago used an XKCD comic on the conference T-Shirt... Granted the humor is written in English, but the author may be able to gin up something special for SFD.
362 May 15 23:11:18 <BLUG_Fred> and the designs might be different since it's probably easier to work with size that are smaller than the iron itself
363 May 15 23:11:34 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, if people have more people helping then that's more to find blank t-shirts. :)
364 May 15 23:12:01 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: hehehe.. yes
365 May 15 23:12:20 <pockeylam> haha
366 May 15 23:12:28 <BLUG_Fred> and they can surely try other colors
367 May 15 23:12:54 <pockeylam> once logo is finalized, we can start to design goodies
368 May 15 23:12:58 <BLUG_Fred> we should just ensure we don't have pointy angles on our logos
369 May 15 23:13:19 <BLUG_Fred> so maybe in a square, a circle or a rounded corner rectangle
370 May 15 23:13:28 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, yep, maybe a big piece
371 May 15 23:13:34 <BLUG_Fred> i'll let the designers figure that out ;-)
372 May 15 23:13:36 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, rounded corner rectangle sounds good
373 May 15 23:13:44 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, let's finalize the logo in 1 week?
374 May 15 23:13:50 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, so we have enough time to do the design?
375 May 15 23:14:31 <BLUG_Fred> so next item is Schedule milestones to SFD
376 May 15 23:14:36 <cdrigby> So, this is resolved as: Provide each team with some real shirts, plus multiple iron on logos, once logo design is finalized.
377 May 15 23:14:43 <cdrigby> Confirm, please?
378 May 15 23:14:44 <BLUG_Fred> it's already :15 past the hour
379 May 15 23:14:50 <pockeylam> cdrigby, yep !
380 May 15 23:14:51 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: yes
381 May 15 23:15:13 <BLUG_Fred> which help us to provide more t-shirts without increasing our cost too much
382 May 15 23:15:20 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, right
383 May 15 23:15:24 <verow> logo design is ongooing process
384 May 15 23:15:29 <pockeylam> verow, great!
385 May 15 23:15:36 <BLUG_Fred> verow: hehe.. you have a very big screen right?
386 May 15 23:15:44 <LeandroNunes> ok
387 May 15 23:16:02 <verow> thnaks to pockeylam who gave me her svg
388 May 15 23:16:11 <BLUG_Fred> so is everybody ok continuing?
389 May 15 23:16:17 <verow> I have a 14" screen
390 May 15 23:16:22 <BLUG_Fred> scheduling is a bit piece
391 May 15 23:16:39 <BLUG_Fred> verow: ah? because your logo goes way out of my screen on your upload ;-)
392 May 15 23:16:57 <BLUG_Fred> 14" with a 2500x2000 pixels resolution? ;-)
393 May 15 23:17:14 <BLUG_Fred> verow: 2,160px × 1,713px actually
394 May 15 23:17:15 <BLUG_Fred> ;-)
395 May 15 23:17:40 <cdrigby> OK, marked as resolved.
396 May 15 23:18:02 <cdrigby> resolved, schedule: finalize logo this week.
397 May 15 23:18:30 <mike_ffsuk> where we up to?
398 May 15 23:18:50 <BLUG_Fred> asking if people are ok to stay another... xx minutes
399 May 15 23:18:54 <BLUG_Fred> to cover scheduling
400 May 15 23:18:57 <pockeylam> i m ok to stay
401 May 15 23:19:01 <LeandroNunes> yes: 30 minutes
402 May 15 23:19:03 <BLUG_Fred> like the big milestones before launch
403 May 15 23:19:09 <cdrigby> OK to continue
404 May 15 23:19:18 <BLUG_Fred> communication, registration opening, etc
405 May 15 23:19:53 <BLUG_Fred> oh yes.. i was forgetting : we also talked with Linux... 2 sec
406 May 15 23:20:47 <BLUG_Fred> Linux Journal
407 May 15 23:20:57 <BLUG_Fred> we will get one page advertisement for SFD
408 May 15 23:21:03 <kjcole> I can hang for a bit longer, until milady Jen says "Hurry up or we'll be late to our afternoon gathering"
409 May 15 23:21:11 <BLUG_Fred> we can chose either August or September edition
410 May 15 23:21:23 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: haha
411 May 15 23:22:08 <BLUG_Fred> we already have the same deal with Ubuntu Users and Linux Magazine
412 May 15 23:22:11 <kjcole> BLUG_Fred: Nice! August edition would probably be better. People do buy at the newstand, and often in the month that a mag actually displays on its cover.
413 May 15 23:22:37 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: yes.. i wasn't sure which month was better actually
414 May 15 23:22:43 <kjcole> BLUG_Fred: So, September might end up being too late for some magazine purchasers.
415 May 15 23:22:47 <BLUG_Fred> we have 2 targets: team leaders and participants
416 May 15 23:22:57 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: ah.. i see
417 May 15 23:23:14 <kjcole> Speaking of magazines: Full Circle ?
418 May 15 23:23:16 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: now participants (the one we really really want) probably don't read those magazines
419 May 15 23:23:26 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: it's free pdf right?
420 May 15 23:23:41 <BLUG_Fred> kjcole: i only know the Chinese editors
421 May 15 23:23:59 * mike__ (~mike@94-193-81-215.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #sfd-marketing
422 May 15 23:24:05 <verow> I can relay ads to Linux Pratique (French)
423 May 15 23:24:16 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, i would say september is better
424 May 15 23:24:23 <BLUG_Fred> verow: are they printed press or online?
425 May 15 23:24:25 <kjcole> BLUG_Fred: Yeah. Free PDF. http://fullcirclemagazine.org/
426 May 15 23:24:26 <cdrigby> Also, social network posts are significant. Do we have an FB page where we can promote?
427 May 15 23:24:27 <mike__> technical issues! what did I miss.
428 May 15 23:24:32 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, sept edition will be found in august :)
429 May 15 23:24:38 <verow> and to Net Media Europe netmediaeurope.fr
430 May 15 23:24:43 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, it usually release half a month earlier
431 May 15 23:24:47 <BLUG_Fred> for Linux Journal the deadline is 25th this month
432 May 15 23:24:52 <BLUG_Fred> for August edition
433 May 15 23:24:54 <verow> outch
434 May 15 23:25:02 <pockeylam> verrow and i can work on the design?
435 May 15 23:25:06 <pockeylam> verow, can we ?
436 May 15 23:25:14 <BLUG_Fred> verow: it's ok, we can use the same page as last year, update the photos and ... hop
437 May 15 23:25:19 <pockeylam> http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=SFD_ad.png
438 May 15 23:25:21 <verow> yes we can of course pockeylam
439 May 15 23:25:22 * mike__ is now known as mike_uk
440 May 15 23:25:22 <pockeylam> it's the design for last year
441 May 15 23:25:28 <pockeylam> we can modify it to match the deadline
442 May 15 23:25:30 <verow> et hop là
443 May 15 23:25:32 <pockeylam> but we need a new logo soon
444 May 15 23:25:40 <BLUG_Fred> for other publications, especially non-English ones, we'll need help.
445 May 15 23:25:44 <verow> the logo => Tuesday at last
446 May 15 23:25:55 <verow> I'll make a FR one
447 May 15 23:25:58 <BLUG_Fred> it would be nice to have Brazil for example or Vietnam or France
448 May 15 23:26:01 <pockeylam> verow, nice
449 May 15 23:26:08 <BLUG_Fred> we need to contact local press and see
450 May 15 23:26:25 <verow> BLUG_Fred will check my work (fôtes de frappe, doigts carrés)
451 May 15 23:26:37 <BLUG_Fred> verow: who is that guy/
452 May 15 23:26:38 <BLUG_Fred> ?
453 May 15 23:27:00 <BLUG_Fred> we should quickly pick the new logo, since we'll use it in the ad
454 May 15 23:27:05 <BLUG_Fred> (i hope)
455 May 15 23:27:05 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, yes...
456 May 15 23:27:08 <LeandroNunes> BLUG_Fred: here we have some blogs that are the best way to promote the event
457 May 15 23:27:09 <BLUG_Fred> and deadline is 25th
458 May 15 23:27:11 <verow> ok BLUG_Fred
459 May 15 23:27:17 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: ok
460 May 15 23:27:21 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: so we have time then
461 May 15 23:27:52 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: when do you think you can get confirmation on the license?
462 May 15 23:27:57 <pockeylam> how about we finalize the logo by 18 may?
463 May 15 23:28:08 <pockeylam> in 3 - 4 days?
464 May 15 23:28:10 <BLUG_Fred> i would be for picking what we have now
465 May 15 23:28:13 <verow> ok pockeylam
466 May 15 23:28:26 <LeandroNunes> BLUG_Fred: and some events (like FISL http://softwarelivre.org/fisl12) where we will participate and promote SFD
467 May 15 23:28:30 <BLUG_Fred> but i don t want to push .. just from experience it's very easy to miss deadlines
468 May 15 23:29:04 <LeandroNunes> about 8k participants, from all Brazil regions and so many countries
469 May 15 23:29:20 <verow> mine is Tuesday as I have a very sticky / busy IRC meeting on Thursday
470 May 15 23:29:29 <LeandroNunes> we will have our stand :)
471 May 15 23:29:37 <BLUG_Fred> LeandroNunes: but they are all convinces of the usefulness of Software Freedom ;-)
472 May 15 23:30:00 <mike_uk> Debconf on is end of July.
473 May 15 23:30:32 <mike_uk> I've got to leave this meeting soon, is there much more to go?
474 May 15 23:30:51 <LeandroNunes> oh, for sure... the focus is to get Team Leaders
475 May 15 23:31:18 <BLUG_Fred> i have this so far
476 May 15 23:31:18 <pockeylam> mike_ffsuk, i think this is the last agenda
477 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred> Logo decision -> May 18th
478 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred> Press Ad -> May 25th
479 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred> List conferences to attend/
480 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred> where to promote ->
481 May 15 23:31:19 <BLUG_Fred> Open registration -> End of May
482 May 15 23:31:34 <BLUG_Fred> I will create a wiki page and we can list stuff little by little
483 May 15 23:31:49 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, good stuff.
484 May 15 23:32:11 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: ok.. AI myself with that one
485 May 15 23:32:13 <pockeylam> BLUG_Fred, please check the requirement of file format and let verow know
486 May 15 23:32:23 <BLUG_Fred> i'll email the list and we can all add the main stuff there
487 May 15 23:32:29 <verow> ok
488 May 15 23:32:34 <verow> thanks
489 May 15 23:32:44 <BLUG_Fred> and then i suppose we are done for today
490 May 15 23:32:53 <verow> \o/
491 May 15 23:32:59 <BLUG_Fred> thank you everyone
492 May 15 23:33:23 <BLUG_Fred> i will have a busy upcoming week. I want to finish the SFD 2010 annual report... :-/
493 May 15 23:33:25 <LeandroNunes> thanks
494 May 15 23:33:27 <verow> thank you all
495 May 15 23:33:29 <BLUG_Fred> that would be our 1st one
496 May 15 23:33:30 <kjcole> I hope to be able to participate more as my other Sunday commitment winds down. Later.
497 May 15 23:33:37 <mike_ffsuk> thanks everyone.
498 May 15 23:33:37 <BLUG_Fred> nice
499 May 15 23:33:48 <BLUG_Fred> so next meeting on Sunday 29th
500 May 15 23:33:57 <BLUG_Fred> same place, same time
501 May 15 23:34:00 <mike_ffsuk> BLUG_Fred, if you want me to proof read then I can.
502 May 15 23:34:05 <BLUG_Fred> we should be at registration opening!
503 May 15 23:34:05 <pockeylam> yep
504 May 15 23:34:11 <BLUG_Fred> mike_ffsuk: thank you
505 May 15 23:34:29 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: thank you for taking notes
506 May 15 23:34:46 <BLUG_Fred> cdrigby: i can upload the log if you want?
507 May 15 23:35:46 <cdrigby> Thanks all, meeting notes should be up in an hour or so.
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