May 1, 2011 Meeting

   1 May 01 22:01:05 <BLUG_Fred>	Hi everyone!
   2 May 01 22:01:28 <BLUG_Fred>	I think David said he will be here as well (I have 14:01UTC on my clock...)
   3 May 01 22:01:42 <BLUG_Fred>	Leandro did
   4 May 01 22:01:43 <pockeylam>	hi
   5 May 01 22:01:51 <pockeylam>	verow, hi :)
   6 May 01 22:01:57 *	stk_ is now known as annguyen
   7 May 01 22:02:07 <BLUG_Fred>	let's warm up the room until they join them
   8 May 01 22:02:16 <BLUG_Fred>	s/then/them
   9 May 01 22:02:21 <BLUG_Fred>	oops.. the opposite
  10 May 01 22:02:22 <BLUG_Fred>	:D
  11 May 01 22:02:29 <annguyen>	haha BLUG_Fred
  12 May 01 22:02:31 <pockeylam>	:)
  13 May 01 22:02:36 <verow>	;-)
  14 May 01 22:02:57 <verow>	Fire on
  15 May 01 22:03:02 <BLUG_Fred>	David said volunteered to take meeting notes, so I suppose that means he'll be here.. no? ;-)
  16 May 01 22:03:13 <verow>	hope so
  17 May 01 22:03:33 *	cdrigby (~cdrigby@va-71-1-140-160.sta.embarqhsd.net) has joined #sfd-marketing
  18 May 01 22:03:35 <BLUG_Fred>	or maybe he is a super geek and he can take notes in an IRC room without appearing?
  19 May 01 22:03:49 <cdrigby>	Hello all, sorry I'm late!
  20 May 01 22:03:55 <BLUG_Fred>	ah.. i'm disappointed now.. cdrigby is not so geek after all ;-)
  21 May 01 22:03:57 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: hey!
  22 May 01 22:04:04 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: I was talking about you
  23 May 01 22:04:08 <verow>	hi cdrigby
  24 May 01 22:04:19 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: no problem.. Leandro is not here yet neither
  25 May 01 22:04:43 <cdrigby>	Heh. Yes he is. This is his AI IRC agent with which you converse. {8-P
  26 May 01 22:04:45 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: will you take notes as we speak or after the meeting?
  27 May 01 22:04:58 <lumjjb>	hi guys
  28 May 01 22:04:58 <cdrigby>	What's the pref? I can do either.
  29 May 01 22:05:07 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: you decide
  30 May 01 22:05:27 <cdrigby>	OK - I'll take notes now, and double-check later from the log.
  31 May 01 22:05:31 <BLUG_Fred>	ok
  32 May 01 22:05:43 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, thanks!
  33 May 01 22:05:44 <BLUG_Fred>	so you have the home page of notes here: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm
  34 May 01 22:06:10 <BLUG_Fred>	and you need to create a new entry in the same way as April 17 meeting page was done (it'll get listed automatically)
  35 May 01 22:06:28 <pockeylam>	i.e. http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-05-01
  36 May 01 22:06:38 <BLUG_Fred>	I think we can give you some time to do that while I reach for the meeting agenda
  37 May 01 22:06:56 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, if you have any problem, just ask me :)
  38 May 01 22:07:11 <BLUG_Fred>	so meeting agenda for today:
  39 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- Review past action items
  40 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- Discuss SFD logo
  41 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- 2011 Competition prizes
  42 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- Marketing ideas
  43 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- Schedule milestones to SFD
  44 May 01 22:07:13 <BLUG_Fred>	- Assign teams to important tasks/dates defined above 
  45 May 01 22:07:24 *	jmC8 (~jmC8@180.193.21.142) has joined #sfd-marketing
  46 May 01 22:07:52 <BLUG_Fred>	first AI is about next meeting note taking, so definitely in progress
  47 May 01 22:08:22 <BLUG_Fred>	2nd AI is by Leandro, since he isn't here and we haven't heard from him I believe, let's wait until he joins
  48 May 01 22:08:26 <cdrigby>	OK if I take notes locally and post there later?
  49 May 01 22:08:31 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: sure
  50 May 01 22:08:39 <cdrigby>	Cool.
  51 May 01 22:08:47 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, sure
  52 May 01 22:08:57 <BLUG_Fred>	3rd is actually a mid term thing (registration script)
  53 May 01 22:09:09 <BLUG_Fred>	i haven't done anything on that one since last meeting
  54 May 01 22:09:26 <BLUG_Fred>	4th : Fred to create a mailing list for localization & graphic design teams - DONE
  55 May 01 22:09:36 <BLUG_Fred>	pockey to quote for iron-labels for tshirts 
  56 May 01 22:09:43 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: any feedback yet?
  57 May 01 22:10:02 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, no, i will follow up and update next meeting
  58 May 01 22:10:30 <BLUG_Fred>	in the meantime I'd like to introduce jmC8 who has been on SFI's board since 2007 I believe. jmC8 would you mind giving a short introduction of yourself to other participants please?
  59 May 01 22:10:40 <BLUG_Fred>	mike_uk to proof read English texts of start-guide  - DONE 
  60 May 01 22:11:22 <BLUG_Fred>	For logo 2011, Verow, lumjjb : we've had a few sample. verow mentioned she had also something to show. Let's keep that for after AI as it is a long topic I believe
  61 May 01 22:11:40 <BLUG_Fred>	but it's a DONE AI
  62 May 01 22:11:59 <BLUG_Fred>	Fred to add a translate help link  - goes together with above unfinished AI
  63 May 01 22:12:05 <BLUG_Fred>	Fred to continue talking to Novell and Red Hat 
  64 May 01 22:12:34 <verow>	I have to give you the logos
  65 May 01 22:12:38 <BLUG_Fred>	Novell done: they want the current GNOME DVD promotion to be over to evaluate their cost. I have the right point of contact
  66 May 01 22:12:40 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: Alright. I won't be able to stay the whole meeting though. I have to leave in about 20 mins
  67 May 01 22:12:51 <verow>	do you have a place for FTP processing ?
  68 May 01 22:12:53 <pockeylam>	verow, you can upload it in a wiki page?
  69 May 01 22:13:02 <pockeylam>	verow, let me give you a link
  70 May 01 22:13:11 <verow>	thanks pockeylam
  71 May 01 22:13:16 <pockeylam>	verow, http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
  72 May 01 22:13:17 <jmC8>	Hi everyone, I'm JM from the Philippines.  I was invited to be a Team leader representative to the Board back in 2007.  Our team took care of the t-shirt production and most of the t-shirt shipments for SFD 2007
  73 May 01 22:13:23 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: ok let me quickly finish AIs then. I think it is almost done
  74 May 01 22:13:26 <pockeylam>	verow, u can attach your logo
  75 May 01 22:13:48 <BLUG_Fred>	nice t-shirt, I still wear mine sometimes :P
  76 May 01 22:13:49 <verow>	oki pockeylam
  77 May 01 22:14:27 <BLUG_Fred>	I think all the remaining AIs were very generic and mid term goals
  78 May 01 22:14:45 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: last meeting notes are here (with AIs) : http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-04-17
  79 May 01 22:14:59 <BLUG_Fred>	so SFD logo now! yeah yeah...
  80 May 01 22:15:01 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, thanks. those were export quality shirts made by a manufacturer at our university :-)
  81 May 01 22:15:29 <BLUG_Fred>	so verow is uploading her work on the page above
  82 May 01 22:15:53 <pockeylam>	jmC8, nice :)
  83 May 01 22:15:58 <verow>	after the meeting
  84 May 01 22:16:15 <pockeylam>	verow, i can't wait to have a look ;)
  85 May 01 22:16:18 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: oh.. is it not finished?
  86 May 01 22:16:24 <pockeylam>	verow, do it now?
  87 May 01 22:16:37 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: we can really wait, since we need to talk about it
  88 May 01 22:17:26 <verow>	I have a trouble using Gimp and have to reinstall it to finish logos
  89 May 01 22:17:28 <BLUG_Fred>	one need to click on Actions (right side of the menu bar on the wiki) and then chose "Attach File" to see all the attachments
  90 May 01 22:17:39 <verow>	so, I attend the meeting and we talk after
  91 May 01 22:17:56 <BLUG_Fred>	ok then
  92 May 01 22:18:24 <pockeylam>	verow, got it :)
  93 May 01 22:18:24 <BLUG_Fred>	well I think the feedback from lumjjb logo has been very positive
  94 May 01 22:18:24 <verow>	it is just a change of font so it does not make much difference with pockeylam items
  95 May 01 22:18:51 <verow>	appreciate lumjjb feedbacks :)
  96 May 01 22:19:03 <BLUG_Fred>	I only created the design list on Saturday so the design team couldn't really discuss anything through the list Sorry about that
  97 May 01 22:19:21 <lumjjb>	no worries
  98 May 01 22:19:32 <BLUG_Fred>	does anybody have any comment other than what was posted on the list?
  99 May 01 22:20:03 <lumjjb>	I will check on the font issue, but shouldnt be a problem, because i did tell the guys that it had to be open.
 100 May 01 22:20:16 <BLUG_Fred>	no one has uploaded the logo on the wiki page but one can find it in the mailing list archive
 101 May 01 22:20:22 <BLUG_Fred>	let me get the direct link
 102 May 01 22:20:51 <jmC8>	lumjjb, were you able to get the source files?
 103 May 01 22:21:25 <lumjjb>	I haven't got it from them yet. We'll probably have to wait till Tuesday.
 104 May 01 22:21:47 <jmC8>	ok
 105 May 01 22:22:01 <BLUG_Fred>	yes we had some discussion off list (sorry this is bad.. we know and we will not do it again)
 106 May 01 22:22:33 <BLUG_Fred>	i think we can see past the software being used, but it's important that we can the source file and make them available in a open format to all teams
 107 May 01 22:22:47 <BLUG_Fred>	s/can/can get
 108 May 01 22:23:04 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: Alright. I will get it from them and upload it onto the wiki, together with the font
 109 May 01 22:23:54 <BLUG_Fred>	 I personally have no issue using a modified version of the Ubuntu fonts. I checked the license and while it's a Canonical license at this stage I didn't really see much difference with a open font license
 110 May 01 22:24:12 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: i suppose they only modified those letters used?
 111 May 01 22:24:42 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: I believe so.
 112 May 01 22:25:04 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: it would have been nice to have jeff here today
 113 May 01 22:25:07 <verow>	free licence fonts can be found on http://www.dafont.com/
 114 May 01 22:25:23 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes, sometimes they are only free as in free beer
 115 May 01 22:25:29 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: That's a good idea. Should have asked him along!
 116 May 01 22:25:29 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, yes, I understand.  What's more important is we like the concept and we can make it available in open formats
 117 May 01 22:25:50 <BLUG_Fred>	SFI has moved from free as in free beer to free as in free speech fonts 2 or 3 years ago
 118 May 01 22:26:11 <verow>	and others here http://www.openfontlibrary.org/
 119 May 01 22:26:25 <BLUG_Fred>	going back to freeware fonts would be a regression I believe
 120 May 01 22:26:30 <lumjjb>	It should be quite safe to assume that the source file and font files will be openly available though. Since I've stated it in the requirements to him.
 121 May 01 22:26:34 <BLUG_Fred>	so in that sense the ubuntu fonts do qualify
 122 May 01 22:26:44 <jmC8>	there's also a nice collection here: http://www.google.com/webfonts
 123 May 01 22:26:47 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: ok great
 124 May 01 22:27:14 *	andrea (~andrea@93-45-142-172.ip102.fastwebnet.it) has joined #sfd-marketing
 125 May 01 22:27:19 <verow>	[joke] free beer http://baiserdelaprincesse.com/
 126 May 01 22:27:20 <BLUG_Fred>	yes, I think the number of open fonts has greatly improved since we did our move
 127 May 01 22:27:24 <BLUG_Fred>	which is nice to see
 128 May 01 22:27:29 *	andrea is now known as Guest62038
 129 May 01 22:27:36 <BLUG_Fred>	Guest62038: hi
 130 May 01 22:27:46 <Guest62038>	hi all, excuse me for delay... :-)
 131 May 01 22:28:16 <BLUG_Fred>	Guest62038: would you mind introducing yourself?
 132 May 01 22:28:18 <verow>	welcome Guest62038
 133 May 01 22:28:38 <BLUG_Fred>	in the meantime any feedback?
 134 May 01 22:28:47 <BLUG_Fred>	I think we'll do without the penguin
 135 May 01 22:28:52 <BLUG_Fred>	just keeping the sun and the hill
 136 May 01 22:28:57 <BLUG_Fred>	fonts ar eok
 137 May 01 22:28:58 <Guest62038>	I'm Andrea Libralato from Italy (last time I was buldo)
 138 May 01 22:28:59 <BLUG_Fred>	are ok
 139 May 01 22:29:08 <lumjjb>	That would be file ending with 3.
 140 May 01 22:29:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Guest62038: ah... trying to confuse us!
 141 May 01 22:29:13 <BLUG_Fred>	it worked! ;-)
 142 May 01 22:29:26 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: yes
 143 May 01 22:29:30 <lumjjb>	Let's look at what verow has come up with too.
 144 May 01 22:29:36 <Guest62038>	:-D
 145 May 01 22:29:43 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: verow mentioned she just changed the font file
 146 May 01 22:30:23 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, lumjjb, are we going with Logo Design 3 without the penguin silhouette?
 147 May 01 22:30:27 <BLUG_Fred>	but maybe some people prefer the 'original'?
 148 May 01 22:30:41 <verow>	I was working on the original
 149 May 01 22:30:42 <BLUG_Fred>	we also need to see what license to use
 150 May 01 22:30:59 <verow>	should I work on the other one, please let me have a svg file
 151 May 01 22:31:01 <BLUG_Fred>	and the white background version
 152 May 01 22:31:08 <lumjjb>	The one with the filename SFDLogo3
 153 May 01 22:31:19 <lumjjb>	Yea ill put that on my list too
 154 May 01 22:31:30 <lumjjb>	Let me just summarize what I need to find out for jeff
 155 May 01 22:31:42 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, are you referring to a monochrome version with the white background?
 156 May 01 22:32:08 <BLUG_Fred>	so in fact we have 2 version (the  SFDLogo3 and the one on the wiki with a modified font)
 157 May 01 22:32:13 <lumjjb>	1. Source file
 158 May 01 22:32:13 <lumjjb>	2. Font file
 159 May 01 22:32:13 <lumjjb>	3. Image license
 160 May 01 22:32:14 <lumjjb>	4. Logo with white background
 161 May 01 22:32:21 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: not necessary monochrome version
 162 May 01 22:32:33 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: something that display well on while/clear background
 163 May 01 22:32:44 <verow>	BLUG_Fred can be useful the monochrome
 164 May 01 22:32:50 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: yellow on white is seldom easily readable
 165 May 01 22:32:54 *	Guest62038 is now known as buldo
 166 May 01 22:33:07 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, how about a version well suited for black and white prints?
 167 May 01 22:33:22 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes.. what I was saying is that the current logo on the wiki works well on dark and white background
 168 May 01 22:33:33 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: not the sfdlogo3 without penguin one
 169 May 01 22:33:34 <verow>	sounds great
 170 May 01 22:33:37 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, can make a mock up on white background and dark background, if it's not clear in white / clear background, he can either fine tune the existing color or make two versions
 171 May 01 22:33:43 <pockeylam>	jmC8, i think it's the designer choice
 172 May 01 22:34:10 <BLUG_Fred>	i think when text is black on white, the white background version becomes white on black.. 
 173 May 01 22:34:11 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: Okay. Got it, I will pass it on
 174 May 01 22:34:15 <BLUG_Fred>	it's very effective
 175 May 01 22:34:24 <BLUG_Fred>	also licensing
 176 May 01 22:34:47 <BLUG_Fred>	as we discussed off the list (let me quote... 2 sec, fetching the right email)
 177 May 01 22:35:36 <lumjjb>	i'm going to see if i can convert the image to black and white and see what it looks like
 178 May 01 22:36:24 <BLUG_Fred>	In the time I have been on the board, JM and then JM and Pockey have done most of the graphics SFI/SFD has used and have never put their name anywhere, while releasing their work under a CC license. We satisfied ourselves in getting a reference to Software Freedom Day as the attribution.
 179 May 01 22:36:55 <BLUG_Fred>	so that gives a good summary of the philosophy 
 180 May 01 22:37:00 <verow>	do you need to change that ?
 181 May 01 22:37:04 <cdrigby>	Agreed: CC by attrib.
 182 May 01 22:37:16 <BLUG_Fred>	i have personally been critical of the CC-BY-SA license we used because of people not respecting the license
 183 May 01 22:37:49 <BLUG_Fred>	long story short: is it any good if we don't actually have the time or willingness to enforce it?
 184 May 01 22:38:10 <BLUG_Fred>	one thing we said we would change for sure is CC-BY-SA into CC-BY
 185 May 01 22:38:24 <verow>	ok
 186 May 01 22:38:28 <BLUG_Fred>	this means people can relicense into CC-BY-NC
 187 May 01 22:38:35 <BLUG_Fred>	where it was not possible before
 188 May 01 22:38:42 <BLUG_Fred>	(both licenses are incompatible)
 189 May 01 22:38:52 <BLUG_Fred>	I personally prefer PD as in public domain
 190 May 01 22:39:17 <BLUG_Fred>	why? because I use openclipart a lot and am very happy to see the quality improving day by day
 191 May 01 22:39:45 <BLUG_Fred>	also because I have no mood, time or energy to chase people for infringements
 192 May 01 22:39:51 <pockeylam>	actually the logo design i created was based on open clibpart design
 193 May 01 22:39:52 <BLUG_Fred>	and besides SFI will never sue anyone
 194 May 01 22:40:00 <pockeylam>	i was planned to make it PD as well
 195 May 01 22:40:09 <pockeylam>	:)
 196 May 01 22:40:24 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: I do not object to this. Your reasoning is OK. lumjjb: will Maxus accept PD?
 197 May 01 22:40:25 <BLUG_Fred>	so I find the BY in CC-BY not useful
 198 May 01 22:41:01 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: thank you :)
 199 May 01 22:41:03 <lumjjb>	cdrigby, I will check with them on this. There shouldn't be an issue.
 200 May 01 22:41:12 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, nice :)
 201 May 01 22:41:21 <BLUG_Fred>	well so now that we've covered the topic I think we have a few AIs for the logo
 202 May 01 22:41:26 <lumjjb>	:)
 203 May 01 22:41:52 <BLUG_Fred>	we need license, source file and white background proposal for the SFDlogo 3 without penguin (AI to lumjjb)
 204 May 01 22:41:55 <lumjjb>	Okay my updated list to check with jeff looks like:
 205 May 01 22:42:03 <lumjjb>	1. Source file
 206 May 01 22:42:03 <lumjjb>	2. Font file
 207 May 01 22:42:03 <lumjjb>	3. Image license check
 208 May 01 22:42:04 <lumjjb>	4. Logo with white background
 209 May 01 22:42:06 <lumjjb>	5. Logo if printed in black and white - Will it look fine?
 210 May 01 22:42:06 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: I would also like to invite Jeff to our next meeting maybe?
 211 May 01 22:42:15 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: nice.. thanks a lot
 212 May 01 22:42:39 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: Sure, would be helpful. I'll send him an invitation.
 213 May 01 22:42:42 <BLUG_Fred>	and then Ai to verow upload her version of the logo, together with font license explanation 
 214 May 01 22:42:53 <verow>	oki
 215 May 01 22:43:03 <BLUG_Fred>	then I believe we will be able to take a decision
 216 May 01 22:43:15 <BLUG_Fred>	is everybody ok with those?
 217 May 01 22:43:22 <verow>	yep
 218 May 01 22:43:28 <buldo>	ok
 219 May 01 22:43:28 <pockeylam>	+1 BLUG_Fred
 220 May 01 22:43:40 <BLUG_Fred>	great.. 4 yes (including mine)
 221 May 01 22:43:57 <lumjjb>	+1
 222 May 01 22:44:12 <BLUG_Fred>	hehe 5
 223 May 01 22:44:26 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. so let's move on (I had lost my agenda :/ )
 224 May 01 22:44:27 <BLUG_Fred>	- 2011 Competition prizes 
 225 May 01 22:44:35 <BLUG_Fred>	so 2010 had the makerbot
 226 May 01 22:45:06 <BLUG_Fred>	for information we had to change the 2009 prize to the Ben NanoNote because the Tux Droid is dead :'(
 227 May 01 22:45:28 <BLUG_Fred>	http://en.qi-hardware.com/wiki/Ben_NanoNote
 228 May 01 22:45:45 <verow>	I've got one already :-)
 229 May 01 22:45:53 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: a NanoNote?
 230 May 01 22:45:59 <verow>	yes
 231 May 01 22:46:12 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: are you happy with it?
 232 May 01 22:46:20 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: is it stimulating your hacker side?
 233 May 01 22:46:22 <verow>	very happy
 234 May 01 22:46:29 <BLUG_Fred>	I have a makerbot (I bought it)
 235 May 01 22:46:34 <pockeylam>	haha, good choice then :)
 236 May 01 22:46:42 <BLUG_Fred>	still in the box (blushing)
 237 May 01 22:46:52 <verow>	it is stimulating people who want to see it :)
 238 May 01 22:47:16 <BLUG_Fred>	i think it would be nice to announce the competition as we announce the registration opening
 239 May 01 22:47:42 <BLUG_Fred>	the competition is somewhat here to stimulate people to organize the event and do their best about it
 240 May 01 22:48:01 <BLUG_Fred>	i didn't email Makerbot but I would guess they should be ok for another year
 241 May 01 22:48:15 <BLUG_Fred>	I think their business while small (they told me) is going ok
 242 May 01 22:48:21 <BLUG_Fred>	which is nice to see
 243 May 01 22:48:32 <BLUG_Fred>	we also have the RMS book, signed by him in person
 244 May 01 22:49:26 <BLUG_Fred>	does anyone has any other comment or idea on the issue?
 245 May 01 22:49:52 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, did we get the RMS 2-book bundle?
 246 May 01 22:50:10 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: which bundle?
 247 May 01 22:50:22 <pockeylam>	+1 to makerbot
 248 May 01 22:50:33 <pockeylam>	and rms book as well :)
 249 May 01 22:50:34 <cdrigby>	+1 makerbot, RMS book
 250 May 01 22:50:35 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: the book was out of print last time I visited their office and they were not very clear on when they would have more
 251 May 01 22:50:38 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, they have it on FSF's web store
 252 May 01 22:50:45 <BLUG_Fred>	Michael said in his email:
 253 May 01 22:50:46 <BLUG_Fred>	The prizes should help with the promotion of
 254 May 01 22:50:46 <BLUG_Fred>	free software. Perhaps things like button/badge maker, a banner with
 255 May 01 22:50:46 <BLUG_Fred>	winning groups design, stickers with the groups design, with something
 256 May 01 22:50:46 <BLUG_Fred>	like "SFD Winner 2011" on them.
 257 May 01 22:51:16 <BLUG_Fred>	I like the idea of sending a nice banner actually
 258 May 01 22:51:21 <verow>	SFD Winner (no year)
 259 May 01 22:51:28 <annguyen>	verow: +1
 260 May 01 22:51:28 <pockeylam>	+ 1 to nice banner
 261 May 01 22:51:41 <BLUG_Fred>	it goes into trying to build an event box for successful/recurring teams
 262 May 01 22:51:50 <pockeylam>	but we can send banners (without year) to every team or selected big team?
 263 May 01 22:51:50 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred: +1
 264 May 01 22:51:51 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: what do you mean?
 265 May 01 22:51:52 <pockeylam>	s
 266 May 01 22:51:56 <verow>	no need to mention year because you must use a new one every year
 267 May 01 22:52:06 <BLUG_Fred>	ah.. yes pockeylam translated for me ;-)
 268 May 01 22:52:16 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: oh yes yes.. 
 269 May 01 22:52:30 <verow>	I had this trouble for my asso...
 270 May 01 22:52:39 <BLUG_Fred>	and the button badge maker seems nice too as well. (I didn't know it existed)
 271 May 01 22:52:56 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: though they were winners on that year, if they promote it
 272 May 01 22:53:10 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: or it could be just a nice generic SFD banner
 273 May 01 22:53:16 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, http://shop.fsf.org/
 274 May 01 22:53:24 <verow>	yes it is a nice idea
 275 May 01 22:53:35 <verow>	as well as a bagde/paper maker
 276 May 01 22:53:41 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, it's a funny gift
 277 May 01 22:53:50 <BLUG_Fred>	we've been contemplating sending banners to team in general, especially the one who have been organizing for yearsssss
 278 May 01 22:53:53 <verow>	to avoid cisors....
 279 May 01 22:53:54 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, but it may be difficult to get gift sponsors :)
 280 May 01 22:54:02 <pockeylam>	verow, LOL
 281 May 01 22:54:10 <lumjjb>	Hmm, in addition to a single item, I was thinking to include small items, which could be shared among their organizing team.
 282 May 01 22:54:32 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: i see. well it's not what was negotiated, but I can ask ;-)
 283 May 01 22:54:48 <pockeylam>	i would still prefer something free culture related ;-)
 284 May 01 22:54:50 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: yes, i think it's important to offer something that is shared
 285 May 01 22:54:55 <BLUG_Fred>	or shareable 
 286 May 01 22:54:56 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, good idea, what would those be?
 287 May 01 22:55:12 <annguyen>	lumjjb: some kind of tropy?
 288 May 01 22:55:30 <lumjjb>	annguyen: that would be nice. Or even a small token like a keychain
 289 May 01 22:55:44 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: we actually are sending a plaque now (since 2009)
 290 May 01 22:55:57 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, keychain trophy is doable ;)
 291 May 01 22:55:58 <verow>	plaque ?
 292 May 01 22:56:05 <BLUG_Fred>	so they can put it on a desk or cupboard in their office if they have one
 293 May 01 22:56:06 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, so every team member can have one
 294 May 01 22:56:17 <jmC8>	verow, framed metal plaque
 295 May 01 22:56:21 <annguyen>	wow, I didn't know that
 296 May 01 22:56:22 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: +1
 297 May 01 22:56:25 <verow>	for cars ?
 298 May 01 22:56:35 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: un truc qui se pose en fer et ou y a ecrit que c'est eux qui ont gagné
 299 May 01 22:56:36 <pockeylam>	verow, for keys
 300 May 01 22:56:40 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: non non
 301 May 01 22:56:54 <BLUG_Fred>	sorry for the French. I actually don't even know the French name
 302 May 01 22:56:57 <verow>	oki !
 303 May 01 22:57:08 <verow>	un porte-clé
 304 May 01 22:57:15 <pockeylam>	verow, oui
 305 May 01 22:57:17 <BLUG_Fred>	non
 306 May 01 22:57:22 <pockeylam>	non?
 307 May 01 22:57:29 <BLUG_Fred>	non c'est carré ca a la taille d'un livre je pense
 308 May 01 22:57:33 <verow>	have a picture ?
 309 May 01 22:57:39 <BLUG_Fred>	of the plaque?
 310 May 01 22:57:43 <BLUG_Fred>	yes we have the artwork
 311 May 01 22:57:43 <verow>	yes
 312 May 01 22:57:48 <pockeylam>	there are some ways to make it
 313 May 01 22:57:50 <verow>	not yours ;-) :-P
 314 May 01 22:57:50 <pockeylam>	can be PVC
 315 May 01 22:58:00 <pockeylam>	can be a picture inside a little transparant box
 316 May 01 22:58:02 <BLUG_Fred>	are we talking about the same thing?
 317 May 01 22:58:12 <pockeylam>	pvc key chains
 318 May 01 22:58:33 <BLUG_Fred>	but for key chains we would have to make as many as the size of the team no?
 319 May 01 22:58:56 <pockeylam>	yes, we can check with the winners
 320 May 01 22:59:05 <pockeylam>	there is MOQ for keychains
 321 May 01 22:59:07 <pockeylam>	though
 322 May 01 22:59:43 <jmC8>	it's like a wood framed paper certificate but the paper was replaced by metal, that's what we have for 2009
 323 May 01 22:59:57 <BLUG_Fred>	yes a frame is a good word
 324 May 01 23:00:18 <verow>	FR : cadre
 325 May 01 23:00:22 <BLUG_Fred>	so we were going for the same thing for 2010
 326 May 01 23:00:27 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes! merci
 327 May 01 23:00:31 <verow>	thanks for the explanations
 328 May 01 23:00:36 <BLUG_Fred>	and we
 329 May 01 23:00:39 <BLUG_Fred>	 re talking 2011
 330 May 01 23:01:01 <BLUG_Fred>	though this is really not the main gift but more the award certificate 
 331 May 01 23:01:25 <lumjjb>	hey guys, i've got to rush off now
 332 May 01 23:01:37 <pockeylam>	anyway, we can explore the key chains idea
 333 May 01 23:01:46 <BLUG_Fred>	so for gifts options are makerbot + rms books + banner + button badge maker, am I right? and then some kind of certificate
 334 May 01 23:01:50 <pockeylam>	if the MOQ is too high or too costly, let's go for the frame option
 335 May 01 23:01:52 <cdrigby>	G'night, lumjjb!
 336 May 01 23:01:53 <lumjjb>	i'll catch up on the minutes
 337 May 01 23:01:56 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: ok then thanks a lot
 338 May 01 23:02:00 <verow>	bye lumjjb
 339 May 01 23:02:03 <lumjjb>	no worries! Thanks
 340 May 01 23:02:04 <lumjjb>	cya
 341 May 01 23:02:08 *	lumjjb (~lmmej@bb219-74-227-111.singnet.com.sg) has left #sfd-marketing
 342 May 01 23:02:11 <pockeylam>	can we have more winner?
 343 May 01 23:02:13 <pockeylam>	winners?
 344 May 01 23:02:19 <pockeylam>	to spread the gifts?
 345 May 01 23:02:24 <pockeylam>	to spit the gifts, i mean
 346 May 01 23:02:32 <pockeylam>	for this year, it's difficult to pick winners of 2010
 347 May 01 23:02:36 <pockeylam>	we can have 5 winners?
 348 May 01 23:02:37 <BLUG_Fred>	either more winners or more categories?
 349 May 01 23:02:42 <BLUG_Fred>	in 2006 we had quite a lot of them
 350 May 01 23:02:49 <pockeylam>	so, top winners get bigger prizes + certificate
 351 May 01 23:02:49 <verow>	category +1
 352 May 01 23:02:57 <pockeylam>	more categories
 353 May 01 23:03:04 <verow>	everybody get certificate
 354 May 01 23:03:11 <BLUG_Fred>	not only promote the 'best' event but giving some room for smaller happenings too
 355 May 01 23:03:13 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, the trophies for SFD 2011, I think the format depends on which country we'll have it manufactured?
 356 May 01 23:03:20 <verow>	prizes depend on "degree"
 357 May 01 23:03:31 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: format?
 358 May 01 23:03:44 <pockeylam>	verow, yep
 359 May 01 23:03:48 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, i mean type
 360 May 01 23:03:56 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yeah
 361 May 01 23:03:57 <BLUG_Fred>	http://archive.softwarefreedomday.org/Competition2006
 362 May 01 23:04:09 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: like chosing the gift based on where the teams are from?
 363 May 01 23:04:41 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, no. just for the trophies or plaques only
 364 May 01 23:04:56 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: sorry I don
 365 May 01 23:05:02 <BLUG_Fred>	 t understand. why would that be?
 366 May 01 23:05:36 <BLUG_Fred>	oops.. one CR too many
 367 May 01 23:05:51 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: level?
 368 May 01 23:05:59 <verow>	yep level
 369 May 01 23:06:04 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: we currently don't give any ranking to the winning team
 370 May 01 23:06:12 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, well it depends on the one in-charge of getting it done
 371 May 01 23:06:13 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: i think it's nice actually
 372 May 01 23:06:20 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, for best events, we still have 3
 373 May 01 23:06:36 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, and then we have another level for 2 more teams
 374 May 01 23:07:01 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: why? he or she needs to make 3 (or more if we have different certificates) and ship, no?
 375 May 01 23:07:17 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: ah.. like best supporting actor... 
 376 May 01 23:07:36 <BLUG_Fred>	yes, i have to add that rating teams is 'some work'
 377 May 01 23:07:46 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yeah, something like that, just to give more chance to more teams, because there are a lot of good teams actually
 378 May 01 23:07:52 <BLUG_Fred>	so the more types of competition (like in 2006) the more work
 379 May 01 23:08:04 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, anyway, we need to rate... we just need to get the top five ranking :)
 380 May 01 23:08:14 <pockeylam>	instead of top three
 381 May 01 23:08:18 <BLUG_Fred>	so pockeylam suggestion in that case doesn't add work
 382 May 01 23:08:20 <pockeylam>	it won't really change anything
 383 May 01 23:08:22 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, we're not doing plaques for SFD 2011 anymore? just paper certificates?
 384 May 01 23:08:34 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: no.. i don't think we said that
 385 May 01 23:08:42 <verow>	paper sounds great and cheaper
 386 May 01 23:08:46 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: i like plaques... :D
 387 May 01 23:08:58 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes.. cheaper
 388 May 01 23:09:01 <BLUG_Fred>	great?
 389 May 01 23:09:17 <pockeylam>	i think paper inside a frame is ok as well
 390 May 01 23:09:19 <BLUG_Fred>	well for sure it's a lot easier in many ways.. 
 391 May 01 23:09:23 <verow>	it's a certificate not a trophee
 392 May 01 23:09:26 <pockeylam>	paper inside a nice frame will work as well
 393 May 01 23:09:30 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: we could even do paper for 2010
 394 May 01 23:09:43 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: well plaque is both... 
 395 May 01 23:09:58 <verow>	ah ! ok BLUG_Fred
 396 May 01 23:09:59 <BLUG_Fred>	the purpose was to put it somewhere to show it
 397 May 01 23:10:16 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: but I guess paper works equally well, and they can buy the frame they like by themselves
 398 May 01 23:10:24 <BLUG_Fred>	(now i am being very cheap)
 399 May 01 23:10:31 <verow>	lol
 400 May 01 23:10:34 <cdrigby>	confirm for notes: certificates for top five ranked teams? Am I understanding correctly?
 401 May 01 23:10:39 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: ok with the notes, still following?
 402 May 01 23:10:42 <pockeylam>	i think a certificate can be paper as well :)
 403 May 01 23:10:45 <cdrigby>	Yep.
 404 May 01 23:10:55 <jmC8>	BLUG_Fred, paper seems fine for 2010 since the makerbot price is already 3kUS$ ;-)
 405 May 01 23:10:58 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so paper is good
 406 May 01 23:11:13 <BLUG_Fred>	jmC8: and we might have to pay shipping and import taxes
 407 May 01 23:11:54 <BLUG_Fred>	so paper certificate starting from 2010! yeah!
 408 May 01 23:12:03 <buldo>	ok for paper
 409 May 01 23:12:07 <verow>	+1
 410 May 01 23:12:12 <cdrigby>	+1 paper
 411 May 01 23:12:33 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, note is: it is suggested to have top 3 best events plus 2 more other winners (name /level to be discussed) for 2011 competition. winners will be the top five ranking.
 412 May 01 23:12:41 <BLUG_Fred>	so done for this item
 413 May 01 23:13:05 <BLUG_Fred>	still some discussion should happen on the list about the gift and eventually an extension of the competition categories
 414 May 01 23:13:09 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, the reason is because there are a lot of well organized teams
 415 May 01 23:13:23 <BLUG_Fred>	I am ok with more categories if we have people willing to spend the time going through submissions
 416 May 01 23:13:53 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, it is also suggested to use paper certificate for 2011 competition
 417 May 01 23:14:07 <BLUG_Fred>	so next item is - Marketing ideas 
 418 May 01 23:14:24 <pockeylam>	let's create a committee to rank winners?
 419 May 01 23:14:26 <BLUG_Fred>	as in promoting the SFD 2011 event
 420 May 01 23:14:36 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. so yes, we can do that
 421 May 01 23:14:37 <pockeylam>	and set up some rules for ranking, anybody is interested ?
 422 May 01 23:14:58 <BLUG_Fred>	we need to make sure there is no conflict of interest between the committee and the participants
 423 May 01 23:15:00 <pockeylam>	who is interested to rank the submitted teams, it is a lot of fun to do so ;)
 424 May 01 23:15:07 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, true
 425 May 01 23:15:19 <BLUG_Fred>	we also need SFI board to vote on committee creation, which is really the easy part
 426 May 01 23:15:30 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, no problem
 427 May 01 23:15:41 <cdrigby>	Yes, two people associated w/ Singapore in this group. We should not participate in team ranking, perhaps.
 428 May 01 23:15:59 <BLUG_Fred>	I would suggest the following then: let email the sfd-marketing (we have about 100 people) and see if we have volunteers to create such a committee
 429 May 01 23:16:17 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: right.. unless you don't want to take part in the competition
 430 May 01 23:16:34 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: see, Michael mentioned he was not interested in it, so he could participate
 431 May 01 23:17:07 <BLUG_Fred>	who wants to take the AI to write a short summary of the competition committee description/requirements and email the list?
 432 May 01 23:17:29 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, +1
 433 May 01 23:17:53 <BLUG_Fred>	any taker?
 434 May 01 23:17:59 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, i can do it
 435 May 01 23:18:02 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: ok then
 436 May 01 23:18:13 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: done, so AI for pockey 
 437 May 01 23:18:44 <BLUG_Fred>	good good. 
 438 May 01 23:18:54 <BLUG_Fred>	so back to promoting SFD 2011
 439 May 01 23:19:23 <BLUG_Fred>	any idea on what to do, which we haven't done at all or well enough?
 440 May 01 23:20:42 <cdrigby>	I will have time starting this week to become more engaged in the web site.
 441 May 01 23:20:48 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam is telling me we're running late a bit
 442 May 01 23:20:52 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, nice :)
 443 May 01 23:20:55 <BLUG_Fred>	Michael mentioned :
 444 May 01 23:20:56 <BLUG_Fred>	LUGs to run the events. Then LUGs can advertise the events for us.
 445 May 01 23:20:56 <BLUG_Fred>	Perhaps SFI Marketing should be limited to marketing to people who will
 446 May 01 23:20:56 <BLUG_Fred>	then go on to market SFD.
 447 May 01 23:21:26 <annguyen>	resonable :)
 448 May 01 23:21:31 <annguyen>	reasonable
 449 May 01 23:22:13 <BLUG_Fred>	do you guys want to stop here and keep some for next time?
 450 May 01 23:22:19 <pockeylam>	yeah, we can create channels to advertise SFD
 451 May 01 23:22:32 <pockeylam>	i think we can discuss that next time :)
 452 May 01 23:22:35 <BLUG_Fred>	like?
 453 May 01 23:22:37 <BLUG_Fred>	ah..
 454 May 01 23:22:41 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: I have another 30 minutes avail, if necessary.
 455 May 01 23:22:56 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen, BLUG_Fred, jmC8, verow ?
 456 May 01 23:23:01 <BLUG_Fred>	oops buldo ?
 457 May 01 23:23:14 <BLUG_Fred>	i pingged myself instead of buldo ... sorry
 458 May 01 23:23:20 <buldo>	I must go in 5 minutes...
 459 May 01 23:23:26 <annguyen>	I myself don;t know much what I can contribute
 460 May 01 23:23:35 <annguyen>	so I'll stick with the vietnamese l10n
 461 May 01 23:23:41 <annguyen>	(starting tonight) :-)
 462 May 01 23:23:42 <annguyen>	hehe
 463 May 01 23:23:53 <jmC8>	yes BLUG_Fred, let's continue next time
 464 May 01 23:24:01 <BLUG_Fred>	ok.. so maybe we can also start a thread on the mailing list? 
 465 May 01 23:24:02 <verow>	sorry was away
 466 May 01 23:24:02 <cdrigby>	annguyen: {;->
 467 May 01 23:24:13 <BLUG_Fred>	i don't mind starting it
 468 May 01 23:24:17 <verow>	yep thread on list
 469 May 01 23:24:18 <cdrigby>	OK: continue next time.
 470 May 01 23:24:19 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: so you got me an AI
 471 May 01 23:24:38 <buldo>	and, like annguyen, I don't know how and how much I can cotribute...
 472 May 01 23:24:55 <BLUG_Fred>	buldo: so maybe having people discussing by email first can help I think
 473 May 01 23:25:08 <pockeylam>	annguyen, u can help or find volunteers to localize the website contents
 474 May 01 23:25:15 <pockeylam>	annguyen, to vietnamese, that would be very nice
 475 May 01 23:25:24 <pockeylam>	annguyen, and localize the startguide to vietnamese as well
 476 May 01 23:25:31 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: or help to spread the information in Vietnam once the site is localized 
 477 May 01 23:25:44 <pockeylam>	annguyen, BLUG_Fred, yep
 478 May 01 23:25:46 <BLUG_Fred>	so i think the meeting is over for this time
 479 May 01 23:26:05 <BLUG_Fred>	Thank you every one for attending, taking the time and all the good feedback on things
 480 May 01 23:26:21 <BLUG_Fred>	we need a volunteer for next meeting notes
 481 May 01 23:26:46 <BLUG_Fred>	I also think we should try to be more active on the list between meetings
 482 May 01 23:26:56 <verow>	not me as I will come back from Solution Linux
 483 May 01 23:27:05 <verow>	and will be more than busy
 484 May 01 23:27:07 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: wow you can read my mind
 485 May 01 23:27:08 <BLUG_Fred>	:D
 486 May 01 23:27:22 <verow>	Yes I do :-D
 487 May 01 23:27:43 <verow>	but don't worry I'll take my turn
 488 May 01 23:27:47 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen, buldo ?
 489 May 01 23:27:54 <BLUG_Fred>	don't be shy
 490 May 01 23:27:59 <annguyen>	ok
 491 May 01 23:28:01 <annguyen>	haha
 492 May 01 23:28:03 <verow>	I have to translate into French this session, sound enough :-)
 493 May 01 23:28:13 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes, that's right.
 494 May 01 23:28:35 <BLUG_Fred>	that's note something I would do and I really am impressed by that
 495 May 01 23:28:49 *	annguyen is now known as stk_
 496 May 01 23:29:49 <BLUG_Fred>	ok no volunteer.. let's try to find one by next meeting then. cdrigby : AI - find a meeting minute taker for next meeting
 497 May 01 23:30:09 <BLUG_Fred>	next meeting will be on May 15th at 1400UTC same place