April 17, 2011 Meeting

   1 Apr 17 22:03:12 <BLUG_Fred>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-04-17
   2 Apr 17 22:03:14 <BLUG_Fred>	here is the agenda
   3 Apr 17 22:03:19 <BLUG_Fred>	let 
   4 Apr 17 22:03:24 <BLUG_Fred>	ś start our meeting then 
   5 Apr 17 22:03:53 <BLUG_Fred>	Agenda 1: Date of open registration (5 mins)
   6 Apr 17 22:04:15 <Mike_UK>	As early as possible?
   7 Apr 17 22:04:25 <BLUG_Fred>	so this is pockey here, fred is still helping me to rescue my system...
   8 Apr 17 22:04:37 <BLUG_Fred>	what about end of May? 
   9 Apr 17 22:04:46 <verow>	ok
  10 Apr 17 22:04:50 <BLUG_Fred>	we usually open registration in May
  11 Apr 17 22:05:11 <cdrigby>	end May +1
  12 Apr 17 22:05:12 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: registration of event participants or cities ??
  13 Apr 17 22:05:24 <annguyen>	LeandroNunes_br: Cities (teams), I believe
  14 Apr 17 22:05:31 <BLUG_Fred>	event organizers, SFD team leaders registration
  15 Apr 17 22:05:50 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, right... I think ASAP :)
  16 Apr 17 22:05:51 <BLUG_Fred>	fred mentioned there is some works to do for the registration script
  17 Apr 17 22:06:01 <BLUG_Fred>	and fred fixed the utf8 support
  18 Apr 17 22:06:09 <Mike_UK>	asap +1
  19 Apr 17 22:06:14 <annguyen>	I see
  20 Apr 17 22:06:26 <BLUG_Fred>	and fred is doing some work for people to be able to edit the record
  21 Apr 17 22:06:35 <verow>	great
  22 Apr 17 22:06:36 <annguyen>	record?
  23 Apr 17 22:06:39 <BLUG_Fred>	so it will take some time to work on the script
  24 Apr 17 22:06:46 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: yes, the information submitted
  25 Apr 17 22:06:54 <annguyen>	ah, okay
  26 Apr 17 22:07:05 <Mike_UK>	We are thinking about SFD 2011 in Manchester.
  27 Apr 17 22:07:06 <BLUG_Fred>	one of the issue is that when people registered in May, they dont know exactly the venue or some info 
  28 Apr 17 22:07:10 <Mike_UK>	already
  29 Apr 17 22:07:14 <BLUG_Fred>	so itś good for them to be able to edit the info later
  30 Apr 17 22:07:25 <verow>	yep
  31 Apr 17 22:07:27 <annguyen>	ah, nice :)
  32 Apr 17 22:07:29 <annguyen>	yup
  33 Apr 17 22:07:51 <BLUG_Fred>	so we will open the registration in May :) 
  34 Apr 17 22:07:51 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, agreed. Although Singapore has already secured the venue (had a problem for 2010, lesson learned)
  35 Apr 17 22:08:06 <BLUG_Fred>	any other comment on this item? :)
  36 Apr 17 22:08:17 <lumjjb>	yea, I just checked with the venue sponsor
  37 Apr 17 22:08:18 <lumjjb>	we've got the place secured :)
  38 Apr 17 22:08:18 <Mike_UK>	And it'll help to stop things clashing. People are already thinking about events that far ahead.
  39 Apr 17 22:08:26 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: cdrigby nice!
  40 Apr 17 22:08:38 <cdrigby>	Thx
  41 Apr 17 22:08:39 <annguyen>	I think if the team leaders can edit the submitted information latter
  42 Apr 17 22:08:59 <Mike_UK>	Why not open asap?
  43 Apr 17 22:09:03 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: we will have more accurate information ;-) 
  44 Apr 17 22:09:08 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: because the script is not ready
  45 Apr 17 22:09:14 <annguyen>	so making sure about venue may not be very critical, imho
  46 Apr 17 22:09:16 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, OK.
  47 Apr 17 22:09:39 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: i think 2 more weeks , the script should be ready :)
  48 Apr 17 22:09:48 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: we will keep you guys posted 
  49 Apr 17 22:10:10 <BLUG_Fred>	lets move to the other agenda item? Contributors recruitment, ideas and communication channels
  50 Apr 17 22:10:40 <BLUG_Fred>	we have a lot of things :) we need you guys to involve 
  51 Apr 17 22:10:42 <annguyen>	however, can we set a deadline for the teamleaders to update their team's information
  52 Apr 17 22:10:43 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, but asap means as soon as possible so opening will be possible when the script is done. :)
  53 Apr 17 22:10:43 <kjcole>	Each year I have to rent table space for our event, and registration for that's not open until June. But I don't expect problems.  (I expect it will be the "Same Bat-Time, Same Bat-Channel" as past years.)  So May works for me.
  54 Apr 17 22:10:43 <lumjjb>	Agreeable on May
  55 Apr 17 22:10:46 <annguyen>	ok, agree on May (and after the script is done)
  56 Apr 17 22:11:05 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: before open registration, there are a lot of things to get ready :)
  57 Apr 17 22:11:31 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: so as soon as the script is ready, also the marketing, announcement, website, logistic of goodies and so on
  58 Apr 17 22:11:54 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: that
  59 Apr 17 22:11:55 <Mike_UK>	Open registration as soon as you can. Do not delay it for the sake of dealing it, only for things to be completed.
  60 Apr 17 22:12:03 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: that s why itś good we talk about it now
  61 Apr 17 22:12:08 <Mike_UK>	delaying.
  62 Apr 17 22:12:17 <kjcole>	Regular tweets on Twitter and identi.ca, nicely spaced in time to catch the most eyes...
  63 Apr 17 22:12:22 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: yeah, we are working on it now
  64 Apr 17 22:12:26 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: with you :)
  65 Apr 17 22:12:43 <BLUG_Fred>	right now, most of the work in sfi is done by Fred and Pockey
  66 Apr 17 22:13:01 <BLUG_Fred>	there are a lot of area , we believe the community can help 
  67 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Web team
  68 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Documentation team (create new contents for website / wiki)
  69 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Localization team
  70 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Graphic design team (design web banners / count down,etc.)
  71 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Press release team (prepare and promote press release)
  72 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Sponsorship / partnership team (to help to get local sponsors / partners)
  73 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Admin team e.g. writing meeting notes of the regular meeting
  74 Apr 17 22:13:10 <BLUG_Fred>	Others 
  75 Apr 17 22:13:59 <Mike_UK>	Post to LUGs.
  76 Apr 17 22:13:59 <LeandroNunes_br>	but May is fine... and early enought to the local leader
  77 Apr 17 22:13:59 *	pockeylam (~pockeylam@119.121.79.235) has joined #sfd-marketing
  78 Apr 17 22:13:59 <annguyen>	we only need wiki account to contribute?
  79 Apr 17 22:13:59 <kjcole>	Who are we trying to reach? The "unwashed masses" or the "choir"?  I assume the former more than the later.  So, venues for the less technical:  Local newspapers and radio shows.  Community bulletin boards and coffee houses.
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  81 Apr 17 22:14:28 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: i don't think opening registration 6 months early brings much benefit. Why do you feel we should open for the sake of opening?
  82 Apr 17 22:14:46 <BLUG_Fred>	2010 was an extreme case
  83 Apr 17 22:15:22 <kjcole>	Local politicians.
  84 Apr 17 22:15:38 <pockeylam>	pockeylam, i m back to my machine :)
  85 Apr 17 22:15:38 <cdrigby>	all, through end Apr 2011 I am very busy, but would be happy to help w/ Docs & Press release, or whatever, after.
  86 Apr 17 22:15:38 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, its only 5 months now, May will be 4 months. We've already had someone consider booking an event over our SFD.
  87 Apr 17 22:15:46 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, the more time to prepare the better.
  88 Apr 17 22:15:53 <LeandroNunes_br>	kjcole: here in Porto Alegre, we've event tracks for technical and non-technical people. Basic courses an lightning-talks
  89 Apr 17 22:15:58 <annguyen>	I may spend time for Documentation team
  90 Apr 17 22:16:06 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: registering on the sfd website doesn't prevent you from preparing stuff
  91 Apr 17 22:16:07 <lumjjb>	on our side, for advertising we've got: newspapers, online adverts, local forums and the national library calendar <- since our event is going to be held there
  92 Apr 17 22:16:27 <BLUG_Fred>	they are issues with the current registration script and we're trying to fix those
  93 Apr 17 22:16:45 <BLUG_Fred>	but so we all agree end of May is acceptable right?
  94 Apr 17 22:16:47 <pockeylam>	we can all prepare our events before registering, no?
  95 Apr 17 22:16:47 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, no. But then one doesn't have to use the SFD site at all.
  96 Apr 17 22:16:47 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, nice, advertising is very important
  97 Apr 17 22:16:47 <annguyen>	pockeylam: if the registration is in May, I think it's kinda difficult
  98 Apr 17 22:16:53 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: yes
  99 Apr 17 22:17:27 <Mike_UK>	May is acceptable.
 100 Apr 17 22:17:27 <Mike_UK>	to me.
 101 Apr 17 22:17:27 <cdrigby>	In Singapore our sponsors have helped us buy FB & Google ads. Very effective.
 102 Apr 17 22:17:29 <Mike_UK>	What agenda item are we on?
 103 Apr 17 22:17:31 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes
 104 Apr 17 22:17:33 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: you have a very black & white view of things. Unfortunately life is seldom black or white
 105 Apr 17 22:17:37 <cdrigby>	Blug_Fred, end May yes
 106 Apr 17 22:17:42 <LeandroNunes_br>	Mike_UK: the 2nd
 107 Apr 17 22:17:50 <pockeylam>	annguyen, difficult?
 108 Apr 17 22:17:54 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so registration date is fixed: end of May
 109 Apr 17 22:18:26 <kjcole>	As much as is plausible, material should be reusable from year to year: I printed out quite a few copies of each of the sfd10-free-for-* flyers, as well as creating a local sfd10-free-for-DC-MD-and-VA with local info.  I still have copies left.
 110 Apr 17 22:18:40 <pockeylam>	as said earlier, in order to open registration, not only the script, there are a lot of things to do and get ready
 111 Apr 17 22:18:53 <annguyen>	pockeylam: we only have about 1 month until the registration
 112 Apr 17 22:19:01 <kjcole>	So, on those at least, I want to minimize the use of fixed dates, version numbers, etc.
 113 Apr 17 22:19:15 <LeandroNunes_br>	kjcole: I thinks it's fine to have some localized versions of this material when we open the registration, what about it ?
 114 Apr 17 22:19:18 <pockeylam>	e.g. announcement (press release), website content, some graphic for goodies for 2011...
 115 Apr 17 22:19:44 <pockeylam>	annguyen, it's doable :)
 116 Apr 17 22:19:49 <BLUG_Fred>	yes, localization would be a nice to have
 117 Apr 17 22:20:28 <BLUG_Fred>	i think Spanish would be the first priority based on traffic, but it see that portugueuse people are a bit more dynamic
 118 Apr 17 22:20:46 <lumjjb>	Since someone mentioned about the talks and stuff. We got ideas to do an 'unconference' for this year, but we're still deciding on whether to adopt the conventional talks or give it a shot.
 119 Apr 17 22:20:46 <annguyen>	pockeylam: excuse me, you meant the international SFD or the local ones?
 120 Apr 17 22:20:46 <pockeylam>	annguyen, international sfd tasks
 121 Apr 17 22:20:46 <annguyen>	ah, got it. agree
 122 Apr 17 22:20:46 <pockeylam>	annguyen, we open registration, the date of SFD won't change....
 123 Apr 17 22:20:46 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: could you add an action item to the Localization team, to take care of these material too ?
 124 Apr 17 22:20:49 <BLUG_Fred>	of course anyone with time on their hands and willing to do localization for their own country is welcome
 125 Apr 17 22:20:57 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, i m the one taking note today
 126 Apr 17 22:21:11 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: we do not have a localization team per se
 127 Apr 17 22:21:15 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, who will be responsible for this action item?
 128 Apr 17 22:21:16 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok! right :)
 129 Apr 17 22:21:16 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, are you chairing this meeting?
 130 Apr 17 22:21:16 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, and when?
 131 Apr 17 22:21:32 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, fred is chairing
 132 Apr 17 22:21:35 <LeandroNunes_br>	for Portuguese localization, it's me
 133 Apr 17 22:21:40 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, since he is back now
 134 Apr 17 22:21:48 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, we need someone to take notes, i will take notes this time
 135 Apr 17 22:21:53 <annguyen>	Vietnamese Localiztion, before the ed of may
 136 Apr 17 22:21:55 <kjcole>	LeandroNunes_br: Localized stuff is great.  I'm suggesting that as much as plausible, handouts that are put on the wiki for download by several groups, should be reusable across several years.
 137 Apr 17 22:21:57 <annguyen>	*end
 138 Apr 17 22:22:02 <pockeylam>	annguyen, cool, noted
 139 Apr 17 22:22:19 <BLUG_Fred>	for localization there are 3 areas: standard website, wiki guides and then extra materials for marketing and slides
 140 Apr 17 22:22:30 <annguyen>	btw, pockeylam is taking note for us?
 141 Apr 17 22:22:42 <pockeylam>	annguyen, yes
 142 Apr 17 22:22:50 <BLUG_Fred>	it's a lot of work and we could prioritize and do it in phases
 143 Apr 17 22:23:18 <BLUG_Fred>	for documentation I feel the startup guide is pretty complete, how do you guys feel?
 144 Apr 17 22:23:24 <pockeylam>	the priority should be: standard website first, then wiki guide, then extra materials for marketing and slides
 145 Apr 17 22:23:34 <Mike_UK>	I am willing to proof read English texts.
 146 Apr 17 22:23:39 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: thanks
 147 Apr 17 22:23:41 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK,  nice
 148 Apr 17 22:23:49 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, noted as action item
 149 Apr 17 22:24:24 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, once it's proof read, we can announce our localization team to localize in their language?
 150 Apr 17 22:24:24 <BLUG_Fred>	my main issue with localizing everything is that w(SFI) might not be able to handle some parts (like goodies liaison with a team who speak only Portuguese or Russian)
 151 Apr 17 22:24:25 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, start up guide is good.
 152 Apr 17 22:25:03 <BLUG_Fred>	so i am thinking registration should remain in English. What do you guys think?
 153 Apr 17 22:25:24 *	annguyen agree,
 154 Apr 17 22:25:25 <LeandroNunes_br>	i agree
 155 Apr 17 22:25:26 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, register in English +1
 156 Apr 17 22:25:31 <BLUG_Fred>	ok thanks.
 157 Apr 17 22:25:40 *	kjcole agree
 158 Apr 17 22:25:41 <lumjjb>	agreed
 159 Apr 17 22:26:08 <lumjjb>	there's always a handy translator around :)
 160 Apr 17 22:26:08 *	Mike_UK abstain myself!
 161 Apr 17 22:26:11 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred:  A link to Google translate worth adding?
 162 Apr 17 22:26:11 <BLUG_Fred>	is anyone interested in helping on the web stuff (html, css, scripting)?
 163 Apr 17 22:26:13 <LeandroNunes_br>	I dont remember this form to registration, but if we make it clean and simple, english will not be an issue
 164 Apr 17 22:26:19 <pockeylam>	any other member here can do localization here? you don't need to do it only by yourself, you can go back to find volunteers from your local community :)
 165 Apr 17 22:26:30 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: that's a good idea
 166 Apr 17 22:26:44 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: can you add that we'll add a google translate link on registration page?
 167 Apr 17 22:27:03 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: though we'll get an email from Richard Stallman about linking to non free software
 168 Apr 17 22:27:04 <Mike_UK>	Can you do a diagram or screenshots to help with non-English reading people?
 169 Apr 17 22:27:11 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, added already
 170 Apr 17 22:27:23 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: haha :)
 171 Apr 17 22:27:27 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, what do u mean?
 172 Apr 17 22:27:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: haha
 173 Apr 17 22:27:30 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: well I can't, at least not in the languages I don't speak/write
 174 Apr 17 22:27:50 <Mike_UK>	What I mean, can it be explained visually.
 175 Apr 17 22:27:51 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, there is a howto register made by Fred last year, but we need someone to localize the howto, maybe
 176 Apr 17 22:28:05 <BLUG_Fred>	another idea that I have been contemplating would be to offload localized registration to "local committees" like we do in China
 177 Apr 17 22:28:10 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: Sadly, we live in the world we have. ;-)
 178 Apr 17 22:28:10 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, its
 179 Apr 17 22:28:16 <Mike_UK>	Like in a cartoon or video or something.
 180 Apr 17 22:28:25 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, we need volunteers to do that :)
 181 Apr 17 22:28:29 <BLUG_Fred>	but we need to be able to provide an api so registrations are received by the main site too
 182 Apr 17 22:29:00 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: we get a lot of heat on those issues.. and some others
 183 Apr 17 22:29:08 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: so you know
 184 Apr 17 22:29:15 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, I can help w/ web stuff after 1 May (need to get work done on Singapore sites first)
 185 Apr 17 22:29:17 <lumjjb>	hey guys, im not sure if this is applicable
 186 Apr 17 22:29:17 <lumjjb>	http://translate.google.com/translate_tools
 187 Apr 17 22:29:24 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: so you're thinking of something without text?
 188 Apr 17 22:29:25 <Mike_UK>	What stages are there to the registration process? Its not that complicated?
 189 Apr 17 22:29:29 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, your email address?
 190 Apr 17 22:29:39 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: ok. we have a webbers mailing list
 191 Apr 17 22:29:51 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, as a backup.
 192 Apr 17 22:29:51 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, we will follow up with u , we will create a web committee
 193 Apr 17 22:30:00 <cdrigby>	c.david.rigby@gmail.com
 194 Apr 17 22:30:00 <cdrigby>	OK
 195 Apr 17 22:30:07 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, nice
 196 Apr 17 22:30:07 <LeandroNunes_br>	We can provide a simple localized step-by-step
 197 Apr 17 22:30:08 <cdrigby>	m'pleasure
 198 Apr 17 22:30:17 <verow>	good idea LeandroNunes_br
 199 Apr 17 22:30:18 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, like a screen shot of each stage with example details entered.
 200 Apr 17 22:30:44 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/webbers
 201 Apr 17 22:30:52 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: ok here is the deal / the choices
 202 Apr 17 22:31:03 <pockeylam>	anybody else here interested to help with web stuff?
 203 Apr 17 22:31:11 <BLUG_Fred>	I think we have a few important things that are all connected
 204 Apr 17 22:31:16 <BLUG_Fred>	the mailing list is too quiet
 205 Apr 17 22:31:26 <BLUG_Fred>	we need to offer a forum based discussion place
 206 Apr 17 22:31:31 <verow>	I am
 207 Apr 17 22:31:49 <BLUG_Fred>	so we have to merge 3 software authentication
 208 Apr 17 22:31:57 <BLUG_Fred>	the wiki, the registration and the forum
 209 Apr 17 22:32:03 <BLUG_Fred>	in a perfect world
 210 Apr 17 22:32:04 <pockeylam>	please subscribe to http://mail.sf-day.org/lists/listinfo/webbers if you are interested in contributing to web related stuff
 211 Apr 17 22:32:04 <LeandroNunes_br>	which mailing list ?
 212 Apr 17 22:32:04 <verow>	pockeylam sorry, I'am interested in
 213 Apr 17 22:32:09 <BLUG_Fred>	sf-discuss
 214 Apr 17 22:32:12 <pockeylam>	verow, sure, please subscribe the mailing list webbers
 215 Apr 17 22:32:35 <BLUG_Fred>	maybe we could create a mailing list for translations as well
 216 Apr 17 22:32:48 <verow>	yes please BLUG_Fred
 217 Apr 17 22:33:00 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: so I have been looking at how I could integrate the registration script with moinmoin
 218 Apr 17 22:33:03 <pockeylam>	for localization, annguyen offered to help with vietnamese, anybody else here interested in localization?
 219 Apr 17 22:33:03 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, good idea, i think the same
 220 Apr 17 22:33:06 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, Subscription req. sent
 221 Apr 17 22:33:12 <BLUG_Fred>	since everyone has a moinmoin account, that would be the easiest
 222 Apr 17 22:33:17 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, AI: fred to create a mailing list for localization
 223 Apr 17 22:33:19 <verow>	I can help in French and English
 224 Apr 17 22:33:20 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: and this is where I am at the moment
 225 Apr 17 22:33:22 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: thanks
 226 Apr 17 22:33:28 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, and then we call for localization team members
 227 Apr 17 22:33:29 <buldo>	I can help with Italian
 228 Apr 17 22:33:37 <kjcole>	https://translations.launchpad.net/
 229 Apr 17 22:33:44 <verow>	Iam able to read Spanish and Italian but not writing
 230 Apr 17 22:33:46 <pockeylam>	buldo :)
 231 Apr 17 22:33:59 <LeandroNunes_br>	I can help with Portuguese and Spanish
 232 Apr 17 22:34:25 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: if I can't do that, we can have a stand alone reg module for the registration and then the wiki account
 233 Apr 17 22:34:43 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, understand the delay now. :)
 234 Apr 17 22:34:55 <BLUG_Fred>	still if we install a forum, it would be highly preferred that it uses the same account as either the wiki or the reg script
 235 Apr 17 22:35:03 <annguyen>	English, French (verow), Italian (buldo), Portuguese & Spanish (LeandroNunes_br), Vietnamese (annguyen)
 236 Apr 17 22:35:21 <pockeylam>	buldo, verow, cool, we will invite you to subscribe to a mailing list for localization in the coming week
 237 Apr 17 22:35:23 <verow>	I am supposed to translate this conversation into French for our friends so please don't talk too much :-D
 238 Apr 17 22:35:27 *	rjian (~rjian@92.48.109.94) has joined #sfd-marketing
 239 Apr 17 22:35:33 <BLUG_Fred>	i think in general fora are more accessible to less tech-savvvy people
 240 Apr 17 22:36:14 <rjian>	hello pockeylam its me rj sorry im late
 241 Apr 17 22:36:14 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, verow buldo your email address please
 242 Apr 17 22:36:20 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: you can subscribe to the webbers list if you're interested to follow on the decisions and solutions we pick at the end
 243 Apr 17 22:36:22 <pockeylam>	rjian, hi, it's okay
 244 Apr 17 22:36:30 <LeandroNunes_br>	LNUNIX@gmail.com
 245 Apr 17 22:36:36 <buldo>	andrea.libralato@gmail.com
 246 Apr 17 22:36:57 <verow>	vero.rustines@gmail.org
 247 Apr 17 22:36:59 <BLUG_Fred>	as a side note I am very happy to see so many people willing to do stuff - you have no idea! ;-)
 248 Apr 17 22:37:00 <annguyen>	tasks left: documentation, press release, sponsorship, admin, graphic design
 249 Apr 17 22:37:01 *	Mike_UK (~mike@dsl-217-155-233-6.zen.co.uk) has left #sfd-marketing ("Leaving")
 250 Apr 17 22:37:02 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, buldo great, i will invite you to the mailing list once it's created
 251 Apr 17 22:37:10 <BLUG_Fred>	graphic team
 252 Apr 17 22:37:14 <lumjjb>	for graphics design
 253 Apr 17 22:37:16 <annguyen>	an.nguyen.foss@gmail.com
 254 Apr 17 22:37:28 <BLUG_Fred>	we actually have a draft new logo for SFD
 255 Apr 17 22:37:29 <verow>	I can help for doc and graphism
 256 Apr 17 22:37:30 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, nice :)
 257 Apr 17 22:37:41 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: nice
 258 Apr 17 22:37:46 <LeandroNunes_br>	great news :D
 259 Apr 17 22:37:51 <cdrigby>	docs also can, if needed. Indeed, it's a speciality {;->
 260 Apr 17 22:37:51 <lumjjb>	that's great
 261 Apr 17 22:37:51 *	Mike_UK (~mike@dsl-217-155-233-6.zen.co.uk) has joined #sfd-marketing
 262 Apr 17 22:38:08 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: wlecome back
 263 Apr 17 22:38:20 <BLUG_Fred>	http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Artwork/ProposedLogo
 264 Apr 17 22:38:25 <lumjjb>	well on our side, we've got 1 of the local design companies doing up our site + graphics stuff
 265 Apr 17 22:38:25 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, :) Oops.
 266 Apr 17 22:38:41 <BLUG_Fred>	we need something more 'squary'
 267 Apr 17 22:38:43 <rjian>	i can help with the online promotion :)
 268 Apr 17 22:38:47 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, subscribing to webbers
 269 Apr 17 22:38:48 <lumjjb>	we could probably help out in creating some graphics
 270 Apr 17 22:38:55 <BLUG_Fred>	the usual logo that changes every year and is so long is not convenient
 271 Apr 17 22:38:58 <BLUG_Fred>	and it's not a logo
 272 Apr 17 22:39:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	So simple and clean... perfect!
 273 Apr 17 22:39:08 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, so you can help with graphic designs for sfi then :)
 274 Apr 17 22:39:08 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, your email address please?
 275 Apr 17 22:39:10 <lumjjb>	lumjjb@gmail.com
 276 Apr 17 22:39:13 <BLUG_Fred>	we have issues with some people asking for a logo when we gave that old one
 277 Apr 17 22:39:30 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, welcome to the graphic club :)
 278 Apr 17 22:39:42 <BLUG_Fred>	our 'elements' have been the sun and the hill since the beginning
 279 Apr 17 22:39:46 <lumjjb>	:)
 280 Apr 17 22:39:48 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: only one concern in the logo
 281 Apr 17 22:39:56 <BLUG_Fred>	so if you don't like this logo let us know..
 282 Apr 17 22:39:57 <pockeylam>	verow, lumjjb, welcome to join the graphic design club, i will be in the graphic club as well, we will design the goodies, banners ,e tc
 283 Apr 17 22:40:06 <LeandroNunes_br>	the first 'F' of SoFtware... seems a 'g'
 284 Apr 17 22:40:17 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: i agree
 285 Apr 17 22:40:19 <murphnj>	The "f" in software looks oddly cursive.  Might it cause problems?
 286 Apr 17 22:40:25 <BLUG_Fred>	we need to find a handwriting font that is open
 287 Apr 17 22:40:32 <kjcole>	Not wild about the mockups... Readability troubles.
 288 Apr 17 22:40:36 <annguyen>	LeandroNunes_br: option 1
 289 Apr 17 22:40:44 <verow>	andika basic is a good font for people having troubles
 290 Apr 17 22:40:45 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: the font problem right?
 291 Apr 17 22:40:51 *	annguyen think option 2 is the best
 292 Apr 17 22:41:13 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so I'm looking for verow font
 293 Apr 17 22:41:32 <BLUG_Fred>	i think the Action Item would be to replace that font and offer a replacement current of next week
 294 Apr 17 22:41:59 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: it's not very fancy... ;-)
 295 Apr 17 22:51:10 <Mike_UK>	Like the image but not the font.
 296 Apr 17 22:51:10 <pockeylam>	there are three options there
 297 Apr 17 22:51:10 <murphnj>	I like option 2 as well.
 298 Apr 17 22:51:10 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: Yeah. Agree w/ LeandroNunes_br about "g" and w/ others about cursive readability.
 299 Apr 17 22:51:10 <verow>	the image is friendly
 300 Apr 17 22:51:10 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, noted
 301 Apr 17 22:51:10 <cdrigby>	agree w/ Mike_UK - image good, font bad.
 302 Apr 17 22:51:27 <lumjjb>	option 2 font looks the best
 303 Apr 17 22:51:27 <annguyen>	the image is very nice, :-)
 304 Apr 17 22:51:27 <buldo>	I like opt 1 & 2
 305 Apr 17 22:51:27 <lumjjb>	hmm
 306 Apr 17 22:51:27 <lumjjb>	im curious though
 307 Apr 17 22:51:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	Can I propose another font options ?
 308 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	i can modify the option 1 to make the f look more like a f
 309 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, sure
 310 Apr 17 22:51:27 <verow>	BLUG_Fred it's a compliment to say it is friendly :)
 311 Apr 17 22:51:27 <kjcole>	Image is fine.  (Not sure how it suggests anything other than the "day" part of software freedom day, but I've got no problem w/ it.  Similar to years past.)
 312 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	so we keep the logo, and people are welcome to down the svg file and play with the fonts
 313 Apr 17 22:51:27 <verow>	sounds great pockeylam
 314 Apr 17 22:51:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	the logo image is fantastic, simple to make in all stuff
 315 Apr 17 22:51:27 <Mike_UK>	kjcole, the bright new day of Software Freedom!
 316 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	there is a svg file if you go to attach file
 317 Apr 17 22:51:27 <lumjjb>	if we would like to reuse as many things as possible (i.e. posters and such), should be have a 'fixed' logo. Then we can reuse and make new posters every year.
 318 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	verow, thanks ;)
 319 Apr 17 22:51:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	Here we're planning to make a lot of mugs
 320 Apr 17 22:51:27 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: OK. We need to do that anyway to create SFD (Singapore) text
 321 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, nice
 322 Apr 17 22:51:27 <verow>	pockeylam the only trouble is the long text
 323 Apr 17 22:51:27 *	BLUG_Fred2 (c2ce3f5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.206.63.93) has joined #sfd-marketing
 324 Apr 17 22:51:27 <BLUG_Fred2>	gee my xchat connection is lagging like hell
 325 Apr 17 22:51:27 <verow>	it should maybe be only SFD
 326 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	verow, yes.. otherwise we can try to use SFD?
 327 Apr 17 22:51:27 <kjcole>	Mike_UK: Needs a little  silhouette of a penguin. ;-)
 328 Apr 17 22:51:27 <verow>	+1 kjcole
 329 Apr 17 22:51:27 <pockeylam>	so once the logos are ready (with your fonts) please send email to update us so we can pick one
 330 Apr 17 22:51:27 <lumjjb>	:)
 331 Apr 17 22:51:27 <murphnj>	verow: Are enough people familiar with SFD to make using just initals clear?
 332 Apr 17 22:52:30 <pockeylam>	Action Item would be to replace that font and offer a replacement current of next week (action by Verow, lumjjb)
 333 Apr 17 22:52:30 <kjcole>	lumjjb: +1 (see my earlier comments.)
 334 Apr 17 22:52:30 <annguyen>	kjcole: imho, sfd is about software freedom in general
 335 Apr 17 22:52:30 <BLUG_Fred2>	yes I think we should keep the full wording if possible
 336 Apr 17 22:52:30 <pockeylam>	verow, we can have two versions?
 337 Apr 17 22:52:30 <pockeylam>	verow, one for sfd and one for software freedom day
 338 Apr 17 22:52:30 <verow>	no murphnj you're right but we never send the logo without a text no?
 339 Apr 17 22:52:30 <cdrigby>	murphnj, all: I also prefer the full name, if possible.
 340 Apr 17 22:52:30 <BLUG_Fred2>	but yes having a long version and a short one is a good compromise
 341 Apr 17 22:52:30 <Mike_UK>	I agree we should keep the full wording.
 342 Apr 17 22:52:32 <BLUG_Fred2>	and people pick the one they like
 343 Apr 17 22:52:32 <lumjjb>	cdrigby: agreed on full name
 344 Apr 17 22:52:32 <pockeylam>	verow, one square, one horizontal
 345 Apr 17 22:52:32 <verow>	ok
 346 Apr 17 22:52:32 <Mike_UK>	URL is good too.
 347 Apr 17 22:52:32 <BLUG_Fred2>	square or boxy rectangle...
 348 Apr 17 22:52:32 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, hehe our url is very long :)
 349 Apr 17 22:52:32 <verow>	yes Mike_UK
 350 Apr 17 22:52:32 <BLUG_Fred2>	Mike_UK: good point.. but our url is 1 mile long ;-)
 351 Apr 17 22:52:32 <Mike_UK>	:)
 352 Apr 17 22:52:32 <BLUG_Fred2>	shall we move to admin team/stuff
 353 Apr 17 22:52:32 <verow>	yes please BLUG_Fred
 354 Apr 17 22:52:33 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yes, please
 355 Apr 17 22:52:33 <kjcole>	annguyen: OK, a silhouette of a GNU then.
 356 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	it seems today's schedule worked not bad for most of us
 357 Apr 17 22:52:33 <Mike_UK>	You've got sf-day.org
 358 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	we do, so we're trying not to use it
 359 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	that was a 'last year' plan
 360 Apr 17 22:52:33 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: this time is good for me, most weeks.
 361 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	or last 2 year plan
 362 Apr 17 22:52:33 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred2, not long enough for you? :)
 363 Apr 17 22:52:33 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, verow once the logo is ready, we will start to work on goodies design and banners design?
 364 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	haha
 365 Apr 17 22:52:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	I think two versions: one horizontal format (with the name at right of the logo)
 366 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	Mike_UK: just to avoid confusion I think
 367 Apr 17 22:52:33 <verow>	yes pockeylam
 368 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	we were ending up with many web services all over the place
 369 Apr 17 22:52:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	and one vertical, with the name below of the logo
 370 Apr 17 22:52:33 <verow>	LeandroNunes_br ok :)
 371 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	and so at the end someone suggested we should just keep the long version and try to phase out anything with sf-day
 372 Apr 17 22:52:33 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, verow and lumjjb will come up with some options for us :)
 373 Apr 17 22:52:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes, i'm doing that
 374 Apr 17 22:52:33 <verow>	all right pockeylam
 375 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	the only reason mailing lists are still on sf-day is because no one managed to move them to softwarefreedomday.org
 376 Apr 17 22:52:33 <cdrigby>	all, re. graphics: if the files are avail as SVG, they are easy enough to modify for different site layouts, RTL text, etc.
 377 Apr 17 22:52:33 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred2, ok.
 378 Apr 17 22:52:33 <lumjjb>	sounds good. the plan for the graphics side is to 1. add in the silhouette. 2. Logo with words at btm/right/withURL
 379 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	cdrigby: yes all svg
 380 Apr 17 22:52:33 <lumjjb>	as a rough guideline
 381 Apr 17 22:52:33 <verow>	I work on svg files
 382 Apr 17 22:52:33 <cdrigby>	ok
 383 Apr 17 22:52:33 <cdrigby>	ok
 384 Apr 17 22:52:33 <kjcole>	QR code, anyone?  They seem to be increasingly popular with the smartphone set, and qrencoder is an easy get from a repository...
 385 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	in general while SFI has communicated very little about their/our decision there were always "good" reasons for things
 386 Apr 17 22:52:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	so, which is the correct mailing list to discuss about graphics ?
 387 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	kjcole: cherry on the cake?
 388 Apr 17 22:52:33 <lumjjb>	QRcode is popular in japan, but not in Singapore it seems
 389 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	kjcole: though if you feel like taking this as your project, please
 390 Apr 17 22:52:33 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, you would like to join graphic design club?
 391 Apr 17 22:52:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	Here in brazil is getting more popular
 392 Apr 17 22:52:33 <BLUG_Fred2>	i personally think it'd be great
 393 Apr 17 22:52:33 <verow>	QR code are very much used in France
 394 Apr 17 22:52:33 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, we will create graphic design mailing list
 395 Apr 17 22:52:34 <BLUG_Fred2>	pockeylam: ok we can if needed
 396 Apr 17 22:52:34 <verow>	but I don't get a clue how to make that
 397 Apr 17 22:52:34 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, i will invite you lumjjb and verow to join
 398 Apr 17 22:52:34 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, right
 399 Apr 17 22:52:34 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: Alright
 400 Apr 17 22:52:34 <BLUG_Fred2>	verow: there are QR code generators online
 401 Apr 17 22:52:34 <verow>	great BLUG_Fred !
 402 Apr 17 22:52:34 <BLUG_Fred2>	verow: or on your pc (and free software ones)
 403 Apr 17 22:52:35 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: google has one ;-)
 404 Apr 17 22:52:39 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred2: The creation of the QR Code image is a 3-second job.  Deciding what the QR Code should say is up to y'all.
 405 Apr 17 22:52:48 <verow>	ok Ill check taht
 406 Apr 17 22:53:02 <BLUG_Fred>	so back to admin
 407 Apr 17 22:53:14 <LeandroNunes_br>	but the current QR* reader, can deal with that
 408 Apr 17 22:53:45 <BLUG_Fred>	so we'll need someone to coordinate meetings, take notes.. what else?
 409 Apr 17 22:53:52 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes, back to the admin... ;-)
 410 Apr 17 22:53:53 <annguyen>	admin, press release, sponsorship
 411 Apr 17 22:53:53 <BLUG_Fred2>	kjcole: website url?
 412 Apr 17 22:53:53 <annguyen>	documetation is on cdrigby, right?
 413 Apr 17 22:53:53 <kjcole>	("cat info.txt | qrencode -o sfd.png")
 414 Apr 17 22:54:15 <BLUG_Fred>	we can either have a rolling team or one individual for 1 year?
 415 Apr 17 22:54:16 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: I think the website URL should be nice for the QR image
 416 Apr 17 22:54:17 <cdrigby>	Yes, can help with documentation. Will this also be coordinated through the webbers mailing list?
 417 Apr 17 22:54:34 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: no
 418 Apr 17 22:54:36 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, in english? or other language?
 419 Apr 17 22:54:46 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: i see webbers more as a technical related list
 420 Apr 17 22:54:53 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: though they often overlap 
 421 Apr 17 22:55:06 <BLUG_Fred>	maybe we keep documentation under marketing?
 422 Apr 17 22:55:09 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: English. My French & Italian are too weak to write directly.
 423 Apr 17 22:55:20 <verow>	sound correct BLUG_Fred
 424 Apr 17 22:55:29 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, your email address?
 425 Apr 17 22:55:35 <BLUG_Fred>	and once doc is complete we inform localization team
 426 Apr 17 22:55:36 <cdrigby>	c.david.rigby@gmail.com
 427 Apr 17 22:56:00 <LeandroNunes_br>	so, this documentation that are you talking about... is for what ?
 428 Apr 17 22:56:01 <BLUG_Fred>	so anyone interested to coordinate the meeting and keep notes, upload irc logs, etc?
 429 Apr 17 22:56:11 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: website, wiki, slides, etc
 430 Apr 17 22:56:28 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: i think it could include multimedia content as it is under marketing
 431 Apr 17 22:56:46 <BLUG_Fred>	it's documentation to help with the event really
 432 Apr 17 22:56:49 <Mike_UK>	Use something like http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot for IRC meets or at least the markup to keep things on track.
 433 Apr 17 22:56:55 <pockeylam>	for documentation, we will  will keep using marketing mailing, tasks related to contents for website, wiki, slides, etc
 434 Apr 17 22:57:15 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: so markup highlighting doesn't work yet with moinmoin
 435 Apr 17 22:57:20 <BLUG_Fred>	i checked
 436 Apr 17 22:57:42 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: but i'll look into that bot
 437 Apr 17 22:57:42 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, LeandroNunes_br: OK for docs types. I'll need help if we are talking animations.
 438 Apr 17 22:57:48 <rjian>	any task for me? :)
 439 Apr 17 22:57:48 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: OK.
 440 Apr 17 22:58:07 <BLUG_Fred>	rjian: well you're welcome to say when there is something that you're interested in
 441 Apr 17 22:58:26 <BLUG_Fred>	nobody is into admin stuff
 442 Apr 17 22:58:36 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, means you can do #topic something to keep things on track.
 443 Apr 17 22:58:39 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, pockeylam: please keep in mind that I can help a bit now, but I really do not have much free time before end of Apr.
 444 Apr 17 22:58:41 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so for now let's agree that we'll use this time of the day for our meetings
 445 Apr 17 22:58:48 <BLUG_Fred>	how often should we meet?
 446 Apr 17 22:58:53 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, got it
 447 Apr 17 22:58:56 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: sure
 448 Apr 17 22:59:01 <BLUG_Fred>	we're all volunteers
 449 Apr 17 22:59:17 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: current meeting time +1
 450 Apr 17 22:59:21 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: bi-weekly ?
 451 Apr 17 22:59:21 <annguyen>	cdrigby: +1
 452 Apr 17 22:59:21 <BLUG_Fred>	we do what we can, and it's always nice if we can let others know when we can't complete a task
 453 Apr 17 22:59:26 <BLUG_Fred>	(early enough ;-) )
 454 Apr 17 22:59:39 <lumjjb>	BLUG_Fred:Fortnightly seems like a good interval
 455 Apr 17 22:59:44 <cdrigby>	meeting freq. bi-weekly +1
 456 Apr 17 22:59:47 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: you mean twice a week or every other week?
 457 Apr 17 22:59:58 <lumjjb>	that's +1 for me too
 458 Apr 17 23:00:04 <LeandroNunes_br>	each 15 days
 459 Apr 17 23:00:06 <BLUG_Fred>	ok
 460 Apr 17 23:00:14 <verow>	+1
 461 Apr 17 23:00:15 <pockeylam>	so every other week then?
 462 Apr 17 23:00:16 <kjcole>	I have a standing other volunteer gig usually at this time.  I can be sort-of available during that, at least occasionally, but not as good as today.  (Today it was canceled.)
 463 Apr 17 23:00:26 <Mike_UK>	Every two weeks. +1
 464 Apr 17 23:00:44 <BLUG_Fred>	so that's done. Next meeting will be on Sunday 1400UTC May 1st?
 465 Apr 17 23:00:47 <kjcole>	Still, I don't know of a better time.  So... +0.5 ;-)
 466 Apr 17 23:00:51 <BLUG_Fred>	ouch that's a bank holidays in a lot of place
 467 Apr 17 23:00:53 <BLUG_Fred>	s
 468 Apr 17 23:01:06 <BLUG_Fred>	is may 1st an issue?
 469 Apr 17 23:01:10 <BLUG_Fred>	May
 470 Apr 17 23:02:53 <pockeylam>	    * we will keep the same timing (Sunday: UTC 1400) every other week. (next meeting will be on May 1st)
 471 Apr 17 23:07:08 <cdrigby>	I'm flexible on start time. Earlier would be easier for me than later on a given date, though.
 472 Apr 17 23:07:08 <buldo>	Every two weeks. +1
 473 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	I'll try to bring more reliable volunteers to here...
 474 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	and we target to finish every meeting in 1 hour
 475 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	so please everybody update their own action items by emails before each meetings?
 476 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	in order to save time
 477 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, nice :)
 478 Apr 17 23:07:08 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, I can.
 479 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, thanks!
 480 Apr 17 23:07:08 <lumjjb>	May 1: +1
 481 Apr 17 23:07:08 <rjian>	rjian@cp-union.com
 482 Apr 17 23:07:08 <cdrigby>	No, 1 May  is OK. But kjcole has a conflict. I could meet earlier in the day, is all, if that helps.
 483 Apr 17 23:07:08 <rjian>	:)
 484 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	which mailing list for everyone to use?
 485 Apr 17 23:07:08 <Mike_UK>	1st May. +1
 486 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	sf discuss
 487 Apr 17 23:07:08 <cdrigby>	1st May +1
 488 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	or sf marketing?
 489 Apr 17 23:07:08 <BLUG_Fred2>	Mike_UK: I got yours.. thanks
 490 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	rjian,  u take any action item so far?
 491 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	annguyen, yes, we keep in marketing
 492 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	annguyen, for sub groups like graphic design, webbers, you can subscribe if you wanna help them specificly
 493 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	May 1st it's fine
 494 Apr 17 23:07:08 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, are you going to email out the actions?
 495 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, yes
 496 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	for this time, but let's try to find volunteers to take up this task :)
 497 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	for next times
 498 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	nice pockeylam
 499 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	Yes, between our meetings we need to discuss in our specific forums to make real things :D
 500 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	okay, what's about press release? and sponsorship?
 501 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	annguyen, for sponsorship , it's more for local sponsors
 502 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	fred is lagging
 503 Apr 17 23:07:08 <Mike_UK>	:)
 504 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	ok
 505 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	if anybody who can help to get some local sponsors , that will be great :)
 506 Apr 17 23:07:08 <rjian>	pockeylam,  can i be on the press release? promotion of it.. ?
 507 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	rjian, sure!
 508 Apr 17 23:07:08 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, how local? Country?
 509 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes, is pretty tricky, but I'll try :D
 510 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	pockeylam: what should be done for the press release?
 511 Apr 17 23:07:08 <annguyen>	I'm confused a little
 512 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	what we' re doing with Nokia china is that they sponsor half sfd china and half SFI
 513 Apr 17 23:07:08 <verow>	\o/ pockeylam
 514 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam, define:SFI
 515 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	we got one company who wanted to sponsor SFI from the team leader survey
 516 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	software freedom international ....
 517 Apr 17 23:07:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	ah, ok
 518 Apr 17 23:07:08 *	BLUG_Fred2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds)
 519 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	it's the non-profit organizaiton behind sfd
 520 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	so if any local sponsor who would love to sponsor SFI , please let us know
 521 Apr 17 23:07:08 *	BLUG_Fred2 (c2ce3f5d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.206.63.93) has joined #sfd-marketing
 522 Apr 17 23:07:08 <pockeylam>	the money is mainly to produce goodies and deliver goodies
 523 Apr 17 23:07:11 <pockeylam>	:)
 524 Apr 17 23:07:14 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, what level money?
 525 Apr 17 23:07:23 <Mike_UK>	of money?
 526 Apr 17 23:07:23 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: we ask for $4k
 527 Apr 17 23:07:31 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, any amount is welcome, e.g. 5K
 528 Apr 17 23:07:34 <BLUG_Fred>	though we make exception for smaller entities
 529 Apr 17 23:07:37 <LeandroNunes_br>	do you have idea about the amount of $ to become a SFI sponsor ?
 530 Apr 17 23:07:47 <BLUG_Fred>	and bigger ones do give more like Google
 531 Apr 17 23:07:57 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: yes. $4k
 532 Apr 17 23:08:14 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, i would say it's from 2K USD
 533 Apr 17 23:08:24 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, if it is a community
 534 Apr 17 23:08:34 <BLUG_Fred>	we do not have sponsorship levels.. we tend to like to keep things simple
 535 Apr 17 23:08:39 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: but Google Translate gets flack for not being Free, as noted earlier.  Mixed messages. ;-)
 536 Apr 17 23:08:40 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, esp. for free software related communities
 537 Apr 17 23:08:43 <BLUG_Fred>	maye it's something we could consider changing
 538 Apr 17 23:08:48 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, in the last event that I organized, our sponsor give something like... 200 USD
 539 Apr 17 23:09:03 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: not from us.. and they know. They accepted it
 540 Apr 17 23:09:14 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: we've had extensive discussions on the topic
 541 Apr 17 23:09:28 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: well then you should keep them as your own sponsor
 542 Apr 17 23:09:29 <Mike_UK>	like using google maps!
 543 Apr 17 23:09:33 <pockeylam>	so if anybody have local sponsors who would love to sponsor SFD on a global level, please let us know
 544 Apr 17 23:09:49 <LeandroNunes_br>	I'll try that. fine
 545 Apr 17 23:09:50 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, how about press release, annguyen asked fo rit
 546 Apr 17 23:09:55 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, thanks!
 547 Apr 17 23:10:03 <BLUG_Fred>	i think only companies with some kind of global brand awarness will be interested in sponsoring SFI/SFD global
 548 Apr 17 23:10:21 <BLUG_Fred>	so we're past the hour already
 549 Apr 17 23:10:29 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, can be a donation
 550 Apr 17 23:10:39 <BLUG_Fred>	do we want to continue a bit more, or stop here and continue on the mailing list?
 551 Apr 17 23:10:42 <pockeylam>	we got a linus user group donated some money to us before for many years
 552 Apr 17 23:10:52 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: yes, the DKUUG
 553 Apr 17 23:11:08 <pockeylam>	who is in a rush to leave?
 554 Apr 17 23:11:15 <annguyen>	not /me
 555 Apr 17 23:11:18 <BLUG_Fred>	PR should cover import announcements in the life of an SFD event
 556 Apr 17 23:11:25 <lumjjb>	we've got companies in SG who have backed out on sponsorship =S
 557 Apr 17 23:11:35 <Mike_UK>	not /me
 558 Apr 17 23:11:39 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: language?
 559 Apr 17 23:11:42 <BLUG_Fred>	things like registration, event success and wrap-up/competitions results I think
 560 Apr 17 23:11:48 <annguyen>	english only?
 561 Apr 17 23:11:54 <buldo>	me
 562 Apr 17 23:12:01 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, u can talk to them if they are interested to sponsor SFI :) and let us know
 563 Apr 17 23:12:16 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, BLUG_Fred is the one responsible to talk to sponsors
 564 Apr 17 23:12:16 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: well we would work on the English one and localization team would localize for local press contact
 565 Apr 17 23:12:25 <pockeylam>	annguyen, of course english,
 566 Apr 17 23:12:29 <BLUG_Fred>	the issue with PRs is that you need a good network to spread the word
 567 Apr 17 23:12:30 <murphnj>	Gotta go, thanks.
 568 Apr 17 23:12:32 <kjcole>	I dunno if they have any money, but Open Source for America (http://opensourceforamerica.org/) while not having an international focus per se, might be worth connecting with.  Unless we get into quibbles about Free vs. Open Source.
 569 Apr 17 23:12:35 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: sure
 570 Apr 17 23:12:40 <pockeylam>	annguyen, and then localize the press release to other languages
 571 Apr 17 23:13:01 *	murphnj (~murph@fsf/member/murphnj) has left #sfd-marketing
 572 Apr 17 23:13:04 <pockeylam>	annguyen, and then promotion of press release
 573 Apr 17 23:13:08 <BLUG_Fred>	we need to build a better press network
 574 Apr 17 23:13:14 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam, it's very important
 575 Apr 17 23:13:20 <buldo>	I have to leave, thanks
 576 Apr 17 23:13:21 <BLUG_Fred>	and that's not easy (to interest the press)
 577 Apr 17 23:13:27 <BLUG_Fred>	buldo: well thanks for joining
 578 Apr 17 23:13:36 <BLUG_Fred>	buldo: we'll email the meeting notes to the list
 579 Apr 17 23:13:41 <BLUG_Fred>	buldo: and the AIs
 580 Apr 17 23:13:48 <annguyen>	I see
 581 Apr 17 23:13:58 <buldo>	perfect, thanks
 582 Apr 17 23:14:01 <buldo>	bye
 583 Apr 17 23:14:05 <annguyen>	bye buldo
 584 Apr 17 23:14:09 <kjcole>	And Red Hat's "facades" http://opensource.com/ and http://teachingopensource.org/
 585 Apr 17 23:14:19 <lumjjb>	cya buldo
 586 Apr 17 23:14:25 *	buldo has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86.1 [Firefox 4.0/20110318052756])
 587 Apr 17 23:14:26 <BLUG_Fred>	buldo: bye
 588 Apr 17 23:15:07 <BLUG_Fred>	another things which has interested sponsors in the past was to provide speakers.. but we have sucked at getting teams interested
 589 Apr 17 23:15:26 <annguyen>	so, from my understanding
 590 Apr 17 23:15:28 <BLUG_Fred>	besides it's hard to predict how big will be the local event closer to the offered speaker
 591 Apr 17 23:15:39 <annguyen>	SFI will write the english version of press release
 592 Apr 17 23:15:56 <annguyen>	then the localization team to translate it and send to local press?
 593 Apr 17 23:16:06 <BLUG_Fred>	if anyone has ideas on how to do better match making between sponsors speakers and local events (thus also helping local events to rock more) I'm all ears
 594 Apr 17 23:16:15 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: yes
 595 Apr 17 23:16:19 <pockeylam>	annguyen, we will need helper, e.g. Mike_UK can help to proof read
 596 Apr 17 23:16:30 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: though marketing list feedback will be gathered
 597 Apr 17 23:16:36 <LeandroNunes_br>	so, please, once you've a version, send a message to localization team to provide the localized versions, right ?
 598 Apr 17 23:16:46 <pockeylam>	if someone is a writer or editor here, we should have somebody profession to do that :)
 599 Apr 17 23:16:56 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, no problem
 600 Apr 17 23:16:57 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: yes the translation mailing list will be informed
 601 Apr 17 23:17:12 <pockeylam>	and we need a better press netowkr
 602 Apr 17 23:17:14 <pockeylam>	network
 603 Apr 17 23:17:24 <cdrigby>	We did speakers out first two years, not our third. Speakers/seminars are a big draw for the professionals and businesses.
 604 Apr 17 23:17:33 <Mike_UK>	Use the LUGs of countries to help.
 605 Apr 17 23:17:48 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: yes.. ours are not great
 606 Apr 17 23:17:59 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: in terms of press contacts
 607 Apr 17 23:18:02 <LeandroNunes_br>	Here, we have some contacts of features tech blogs, newspapers and linux blogs to promote the event
 608 Apr 17 23:18:03 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, so we need to build a network of lugs of countries , a database
 609 Apr 17 23:18:04 <lumjjb>	cdrigby: +1
 610 Apr 17 23:18:16 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, nice, we should keep it in a wiki page
 611 Apr 17 23:18:28 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, or so on, for these presses, we contact LeandroNunes_br , and so on
 612 Apr 17 23:18:28 <LeandroNunes_br>	of course
 613 Apr 17 23:18:38 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, can you start this wiki page under marketing committee?
 614 Apr 17 23:18:50 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br, Mike_UK so we should probably keep a list of those and who is in charge of contacting each of them. I tend to prefer personal communication over mailing/spam emails
 615 Apr 17 23:18:56 <lumjjb>	For this year, i've been looking into .gov support. There's been some set up of FOSS related groups in some govt. committees
 616 Apr 17 23:19:02 <pockeylam>	besides, if anybody want to have admin right to edit marketing committee wiki pages, please send me your wiki user name
 617 Apr 17 23:19:07 <BLUG_Fred>	I know that's how I do when I want to contact LUGs in Asia
 618 Apr 17 23:19:12 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, yes.
 619 Apr 17 23:19:14 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam, yes
 620 Apr 17 23:19:24 <verow>	http://aful.org/gul for French speaking lugs all around the World
 621 Apr 17 23:19:39 <BLUG_Fred>	rjian: so how do you see your role in all that?
 622 Apr 17 23:19:47 <BLUG_Fred>	rjian: finding a spot?
 623 Apr 17 23:20:04 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: I'll need it for docs, yes? CDavidRigby
 624 Apr 17 23:20:13 <pockeylam>	 * everybody to work on a list of press network and help to spread the word for SFD
 625 Apr 17 23:20:23 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, right, add you now
 626 Apr 17 23:20:30 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: good idea.
 627 Apr 17 23:20:33 <BLUG_Fred>	pockeylam: we did track some for last year, didn't we?
 628 Apr 17 23:20:46 <BLUG_Fred>	i think we have a page of where we posted things last year
 629 Apr 17 23:20:50 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes, i think we need at least the Name / Contact and Prefered Language, right ?
 630 Apr 17 23:20:52 <lumjjb>	pokeylam:+1
 631 Apr 17 23:20:58 <BLUG_Fred>	that's definitely something we can re-use
 632 Apr 17 23:20:59 <pockeylam>	who else want to have admin right for marketing committee wiki page here?
 633 Apr 17 23:21:08 <pockeylam>	give me your wiki user name here
 634 Apr 17 23:21:16 <verow>	linux azur
 635 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	right now, only #
 636 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	PockeyLam
 637 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	#
 638 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	LinuxAzur
 639 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	#
 640 Apr 17 23:21:19 <pockeylam>	MarcosMarado
 641 Apr 17 23:21:20 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: and who's responsible for that contact
 642 Apr 17 23:21:23 <pockeylam>	#
 643 Apr 17 23:21:25 <pockeylam>	MichaelDorrington
 644 Apr 17 23:21:26 *	kjcole stepped away for a minute...
 645 Apr 17 23:21:27 <pockeylam>	# CDavidRigby  have right
 646 Apr 17 23:21:29 <pockeylam>	verow, you are there already
 647 Apr 17 23:21:30 <LeandroNunes_br>	right
 648 Apr 17 23:21:34 <cdrigby>	yes - correct
 649 Apr 17 23:21:40 <BLUG_Fred>	also it shouldn't be publicly available then, if they are people names and emails
 650 Apr 17 23:22:21 <cdrigby>	Hide email in database, provide mailserver link? Don't know if that is something the SFI server is set up for.
 651 Apr 17 23:22:23 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, noted
 652 Apr 17 23:22:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: responsible in our side, is that are you saying ?
 653 Apr 17 23:22:38 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: yes
 654 Apr 17 23:22:41 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok
 655 Apr 17 23:22:47 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, what's yr wiki user name?
 656 Apr 17 23:23:02 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: i kind of discarded using a mailing list for those contacts. So what do you have in mind?
 657 Apr 17 23:23:15 <LeandroNunes_br>	Login Name: LeandroNunes
 658 Apr 17 23:23:21 <lumjjb>	could u add me to the wiki too - BrandonLum
 659 Apr 17 23:23:24 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: there is currently no DB to handle any contact of any sort
 660 Apr 17 23:23:30 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, added u
 661 Apr 17 23:23:37 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, sure
 662 Apr 17 23:23:49 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, done
 663 Apr 17 23:23:53 <Mike_UK>	Move topic on?
 664 Apr 17 23:23:57 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: thanks
 665 Apr 17 23:24:05 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam: please take note of this page that I'll need to create, ok ?
 666 Apr 17 23:24:15 <BLUG_Fred>	so PR topic done
 667 Apr 17 23:24:19 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, done :)
 668 Apr 17 23:24:22 <LeandroNunes_br>	because I'll do that tonight
 669 Apr 17 23:24:24 <lumjjb>	Just a random thought, putting on T-shirt print designs on the wiki would be great too :)
 670 Apr 17 23:25:01 <BLUG_Fred>	I think we should keep Promotion / marketing ideas for next time
 671 Apr 17 23:25:12 <BLUG_Fred>	lumjjb: we also have that
 672 Apr 17 23:25:20 <BLUG_Fred>	since 2005 or 6 i think
 673 Apr 17 23:25:22 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, right,it's long
 674 Apr 17 23:25:27 <BLUG_Fred>	s/also/always
 675 Apr 17 23:25:42 *	kjcole has returned
 676 Apr 17 23:25:42 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, we always do
 677 Apr 17 23:25:46 <pockeylam>	 * Goodies selection (based on survey results) for 2011 (5 mins)
 678 Apr 17 23:25:46 <pockeylam>	 * Competition prizes (based on survey results) for 2011 (5 mins)
 679 Apr 17 23:25:50 <BLUG_Fred>	Goodies selection: i hope everyone read the team leader survey
 680 Apr 17 23:25:52 <pockeylam>	we can talk about goodies selection onw
 681 Apr 17 23:25:53 <pockeylam>	now
 682 Apr 17 23:26:03 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, I did! ;)
 683 Apr 17 23:26:06 <BLUG_Fred>	I didn't see any ground breaking idea
 684 Apr 17 23:26:10 <pockeylam>	and then competition prizes can be for next time, everybody to think about competition prizes and suggest in next meeting
 685 Apr 17 23:26:13 <BLUG_Fred>	so back to Tshirts and Cds
 686 Apr 17 23:26:16 <lumjjb>	pockeylam: ah k, i must have missed it..
 687 Apr 17 23:26:19 <kjcole>	pockeylam: Oh goody! ;-)
 688 Apr 17 23:26:25 *	Mike_UK favourite topic.
 689 Apr 17 23:26:41 <BLUG_Fred>	competition prizes should be announce is registration PR maybe? that could motivate people as well
 690 Apr 17 23:27:03 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, +1
 691 Apr 17 23:27:09 <BLUG_Fred>	I was thinking to keep Makerbot if they are interested, but other ideas are/will be welcome
 692 Apr 17 23:27:11 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, +1
 693 Apr 17 23:27:20 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: +1
 694 Apr 17 23:27:25 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yep
 695 Apr 17 23:27:30 <BLUG_Fred>	this year we will work this way for goodies:
 696 Apr 17 23:27:31 <LeandroNunes_br>	i agree, but I think the people that organize these events aren't motivated by the competition.
 697 Apr 17 23:27:40 <pockeylam>	so according to the survey
 698 Apr 17 23:27:40 <verow>	BLUG_Fred you can add décapsuleurs http://www.badges25mm.fr/fabrication-badges-decapsuleur-ronds-metalliques.php
 699 Apr 17 23:27:40 <LeandroNunes_br>	But ok, that's a good idea :D
 700 Apr 17 23:27:50 <Mike_UK>	LeandroNunes_br, agree, I'm not.
 701 Apr 17 23:28:03 <BLUG_Fred>	we have started budgeting and we will only give goodies for the amount of sponsorship we collect (less a error margin)
 702 Apr 17 23:28:05 <pockeylam>	people tend to prefer, tshirts first, and then DVDs / CDs, stickers, and last balloons
 703 Apr 17 23:28:22 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: yes? useful? how does it relate to SFD?
 704 Apr 17 23:28:34 <LeandroNunes_br>	what's the content of these CDs and DVDs ?
 705 Apr 17 23:28:39 <LeandroNunes_br>	linux distributions ?
 706 Apr 17 23:28:43 <BLUG_Fred>	verow: we were actually thinking to pass on the button badges
 707 Apr 17 23:28:48 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, gnu/linux distributions, open cds
 708 Apr 17 23:28:57 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: so yes, and open disc
 709 Apr 17 23:29:04 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: prize announce at registration +1
 710 Apr 17 23:29:05 <pockeylam>	verow, yeah, it's expensive, and heavy... and people seems not interested is it
 711 Apr 17 23:29:10 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: it's mainly for people who do not have internet connection though
 712 Apr 17 23:29:15 <pockeylam>	verow, according to team leader survey results
 713 Apr 17 23:29:18 <kjcole>	pockeylam: Speaking only for our team: Balloons are a real waste.  Don't want 'em don't need 'em.
 714 Apr 17 23:29:22 <verow>	ok pockeylam
 715 Apr 17 23:29:23 <pockeylam>	but fred and i suggested to give away banner
 716 Apr 17 23:29:26 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: we are in no way able to ship 100CDs per team
 717 Apr 17 23:29:28 <pockeylam>	one banner for big teams
 718 Apr 17 23:29:36 <LeandroNunes_br>	hmm, and what about to get a lot of CDs directly with distributions ? like Canonical ?
 719 Apr 17 23:29:47 <pockeylam>	kjcole, but balloons are cheap and light to send :)
 720 Apr 17 23:29:50 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: don't you feel they give color to the event?
 721 Apr 17 23:30:00 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: we already have that
 722 Apr 17 23:30:03 <Mike_UK>	T-shirts are really good. Balloons are nice but not so essential.
 723 Apr 17 23:30:04 <pockeylam>	i like the pictures with balloons on it
 724 Apr 17 23:30:23 <LeandroNunes_br>	as organizer, a like balloons :D
 725 Apr 17 23:30:27 <BLUG_Fred>	we're thinking to add 1 t-shirt if we can afford this year, raising the number to 4 tshirts per team
 726 Apr 17 23:30:40 <LeandroNunes_br>	also, get pretty good in the event pictures
 727 Apr 17 23:30:46 <kjcole>	Although perhaps a bureaucratic nightmare, it would be nice to have a "carry-out menu" for teams: Choose from among the following. No more than X choices.
 728 Apr 17 23:30:50 <BLUG_Fred>	i have started discussing with Novell as well to get openSUSE DVDs
 729 Apr 17 23:31:00 <pockeylam>	if we have enough budget, we can do 1) tshirts 2) dvds - open free cds 3) stickers or balloons 4) banner
 730 Apr 17 23:31:04 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, I'd go for T-shirts over CDs.
 731 Apr 17 23:31:06 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: cool!
 732 Apr 17 23:31:10 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: We've got colorful banners and now a colorful tablecloth.
 733 Apr 17 23:31:10 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: we get a lot of heat for shipping Ubuntu as well (and especially only Ubuntu)
 734 Apr 17 23:31:34 <pockeylam>	so Tshirts are the most wanted items
 735 Apr 17 23:31:36 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: i've a friend on community leads at openSuse
 736 Apr 17 23:31:39 <pockeylam>	what is the next wanted item?
 737 Apr 17 23:31:39 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred: but isn't it Canonical that ships Ubuntu in support of SFD?
 738 Apr 17 23:31:40 <pockeylam>	banner?
 739 Apr 17 23:31:44 <pockeylam>	stickers?
 740 Apr 17 23:31:46 <pockeylam>	dvds?
 741 Apr 17 23:31:48 <BLUG_Fred>	we could also consider having people chose among the list of stuff, but it makes packaging a lot more complicated
 742 Apr 17 23:31:51 <cdrigby>	stickers +1
 743 Apr 17 23:31:54 <verow>	stickers +1
 744 Apr 17 23:31:56 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: it is
 745 Apr 17 23:32:01 <pockeylam>	i love stickers too :)
 746 Apr 17 23:32:07 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: That's what I just said.
 747 Apr 17 23:32:08 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: and we're trying to get Novell to do the same
 748 Apr 17 23:32:09 <verow>	easy to transport
 749 Apr 17 23:32:17 <pockeylam>	how about a 2 meter x 0.5 meter banner?
 750 Apr 17 23:32:23 <pockeylam>	written Software Freedom Day
 751 Apr 17 23:32:27 <pockeylam>	that can be reusable
 752 Apr 17 23:32:28 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: that it was complicating things on the packing line?
 753 Apr 17 23:32:29 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 754 Apr 17 23:32:36 <pockeylam>	colorful banner
 755 Apr 17 23:32:37 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, agree with the Ubuntu CDs heat especially now with Unity and CCA.
 756 Apr 17 23:32:41 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam: really good idea
 757 Apr 17 23:32:41 <annguyen>	I think each team can print their tshirts and burn cd/dvds
 758 Apr 17 23:32:46 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, :)
 759 Apr 17 23:32:47 <BLUG_Fred>	yes we re also thinking to ship things that are reusable
 760 Apr 17 23:32:53 <pockeylam>	anybody wants banner, please say +1
 761 Apr 17 23:32:57 <BLUG_Fred>	so maybe build an event kit over the years
 762 Apr 17 23:32:58 <annguyen>	banner and sticker should be the nicer
 763 Apr 17 23:33:00 <annguyen>	+1
 764 Apr 17 23:33:00 <pockeylam>	so we count if we will make banner this year
 765 Apr 17 23:33:01 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, let the disto's ship CDs if they want to.
 766 Apr 17 23:33:08 <lumjjb>	pockeylam:+1
 767 Apr 17 23:33:18 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: well it's a bit more complicated.. if you don't ask, they don't ship
 768 Apr 17 23:33:23 <verow>	Roll-up (kakemono) sound good too
 769 Apr 17 23:33:26 <Mike_UK>	stickers +1
 770 Apr 17 23:33:29 <annguyen>	pockeylam: should be reusable :)
 771 Apr 17 23:33:29 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: Yes (to packing complication AND building a kit over the years)
 772 Apr 17 23:33:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: these reusable things have an ecological appeal, as well
 773 Apr 17 23:33:46 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: and all the FSF people are complaining that we don't ship any 100% Free distros
 774 Apr 17 23:33:57 <pockeylam>	1st) tshirts  2nd) stickers 3)?
 775 Apr 17 23:34:02 <pockeylam>	what is the third wanted items?
 776 Apr 17 23:34:12 <pockeylam>	dvds? balloons, banner?
 777 Apr 17 23:34:13 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: not everyone use gnewsense :)
 778 Apr 17 23:34:17 <LeandroNunes_br>	banners ? balloons ?
 779 Apr 17 23:34:21 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, I mean ask the distro's to ship at their cost.
 780 Apr 17 23:34:23 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole, LeandroNunes_br : i fully agree. though we need to think about stuff that are useful and affordable and make sense to ship
 781 Apr 17 23:34:41 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, FSF people like me! :)
 782 Apr 17 23:34:55 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, our job is very difficult :)
 783 Apr 17 23:34:56 <LeandroNunes_br>	Mike_UK: :)
 784 Apr 17 23:34:56 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: actually.. no. not like you
 785 Apr 17 23:34:58 <BLUG_Fred>	;-)
 786 Apr 17 23:35:07 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, please try to understand us sometimes ;-) we have very little support
 787 Apr 17 23:35:23 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, Mike_UK: Any chance that Debian WOULD ship CDs? There philosophy/practice seems more to download from 'Net.
 788 Apr 17 23:35:45 <kjcole>	pockeylam: any other clothing item?  Hats? or other lightweight stuff?  (Heavier stuff like mug / cup / stein are probably out.)
 789 Apr 17 23:35:47 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, I understand and am being nice. O:)<
 790 Apr 17 23:35:52 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, for debian most likely we need to do it ourselves :)
 791 Apr 17 23:35:58 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, but we do want to ship free cds
 792 Apr 17 23:36:00 <annguyen>	cdrigby: I still believe that each team should burn the disk for themselves
 793 Apr 17 23:36:02 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, free open cds
 794 Apr 17 23:36:08 <Mike_UK>	Yes, Debian is more download from the net.
 795 Apr 17 23:36:10 <kjcole>	pockeylam: pens? keychains? other swag / crap? ;-)
 796 Apr 17 23:36:10 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: they don't have money
 797 Apr 17 23:36:13 <pockeylam>	annguyen, yeah +1
 798 Apr 17 23:36:38 <pockeylam>	kjcole, pens , keychains are rather heavy and bulky to ship
 799 Apr 17 23:36:41 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: clothing is not really reusable by the team though
 800 Apr 17 23:36:50 <LeandroNunes_br>	pockeylam: what about pendrives ?
 801 Apr 17 23:36:56 <pockeylam>	we need to think of something, useful, reusable, light and rather cheap :)
 802 Apr 17 23:36:57 <annguyen>	LeandroNunes_br: USB?
 803 Apr 17 23:36:57 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: yes
 804 Apr 17 23:37:07 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes. are they very expensives ?
 805 Apr 17 23:37:08 <annguyen>	think of tax and import law
 806 Apr 17 23:37:10 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, if we found sponsors... too expensive
 807 Apr 17 23:37:26 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, if you get us sponsors of pendrives, why not ;-)
 808 Apr 17 23:37:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, only a suggestion.
 809 Apr 17 23:37:31 <Mike_UK>	Maybe send CDs/DVDs only to countries which don't have fast cheap Internet access?
 810 Apr 17 23:37:32 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, :)
 811 Apr 17 23:37:35 <LeandroNunes_br>	:)
 812 Apr 17 23:37:44 <annguyen>	Mike_UK: agree!
 813 Apr 17 23:37:44 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: yes, that would make a lot of sense
 814 Apr 17 23:37:53 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: not sure how teams would take it
 815 Apr 17 23:37:53 <verow>	+1 Mike_UK
 816 Apr 17 23:38:13 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: when I received mine (from SFD) i felt giving me 3 openCDs brought me no value
 817 Apr 17 23:38:16 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: If you keep a year off of it, clothing is reusable: Like the T-shirts...
 818 Apr 17 23:38:25 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: have you had any troubled with tax in 3rd countries?
 819 Apr 17 23:38:31 <annguyen>	*trouble
 820 Apr 17 23:38:31 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, BLUG_Fred, true...
 821 Apr 17 23:38:35 <LeandroNunes_br>	Mike_UK: good, here, for example, we don't need, because we can get directly with community leads
 822 Apr 17 23:38:43 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: but only by yourself.. and you might or might not take part in the next year event
 823 Apr 17 23:38:48 <pockeylam>	annguyen, for a few tshirts, not really
 824 Apr 17 23:38:49 <Mike_UK>	I wear my SFD2009 T-shirt when I'm promoting free software, I love it.
 825 Apr 17 23:38:51 <BLUG_Fred>	annguyen: lots
 826 Apr 17 23:38:54 <pockeylam>	annguyen, but a large amount of stuff, sure
 827 Apr 17 23:39:08 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: True enough.
 828 Apr 17 23:39:09 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: I've had once in vietnam (lat year)
 829 Apr 17 23:39:15 <LeandroNunes_br>	this can reduce drastically the costs to sent the SFD stuff
 830 Apr 17 23:39:26 <pockeylam>	let's think about the logistic of sending cds to to those countries that have slow internet access
 831 Apr 17 23:39:34 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: teams tend to change over the years. It does work for us but we're somewhat a minority
 832 Apr 17 23:39:36 <annguyen>	yes pockeylam
 833 Apr 17 23:39:47 <LeandroNunes_br>	Mike_UK: is a green shirt ? :)
 834 Apr 17 23:39:52 <annguyen>	LeandroNunes_br: great
 835 Apr 17 23:39:59 <Mike_UK>	LeandroNunes_br, yes, I get noticed!
 836 Apr 17 23:40:05 <LeandroNunes_br>	:)
 837 Apr 17 23:40:29 <annguyen>	btw, if any local team can manage to print their own tshirts
 838 Apr 17 23:40:31 <BLUG_Fred>	also I wouldn't send English only OpenCDs to non English speaking country.. but picking countries based on internet and language is a difficult criteria
 839 Apr 17 23:40:41 <annguyen>	then it can save a lot of money for SFI
 840 Apr 17 23:40:45 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, yes, quite some work :)
 841 Apr 17 23:40:55 <kjcole>	OK, for teams that burn their own CD's: Graphics for CD labels to download would be nice.  (Sheets with preprinted CD labels might even be nicer.)
 842 Apr 17 23:40:56 <pockeylam>	who is willing to take up this task?
 843 Apr 17 23:41:05 <Mike_UK>	If the design images for the T-shirts where easy to download so that they could easily be taken to a T-shirt printer then that would help.
 844 Apr 17 23:41:11 <lumjjb>	kjcole:+1
 845 Apr 17 23:41:16 <annguyen>	Mike_UK: +1
 846 Apr 17 23:41:16 <verow>	pockeylam I do
 847 Apr 17 23:41:19 <BLUG_Fred>	yes teams are not equal..
 848 Apr 17 23:41:26 <pockeylam>	to manage open / free cds, to plan for the logistic of shipping to those countries that have slow internet access?
 849 Apr 17 23:41:32 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: aren't they easy to download?
 850 Apr 17 23:41:41 <LeandroNunes_br>	annguyen, we can compare the costs and have surprises :D, but we can try make local stuff
 851 Apr 17 23:41:48 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: we have an history of uploading all our artworks in svg format on the wiki
 852 Apr 17 23:41:59 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, the design artwork is online every year
 853 Apr 17 23:42:18 <BLUG_Fred>	for CD we should definitely have a strong message to suggest "other ways"
 854 Apr 17 23:42:20 <pockeylam>	they are all in the wiki page, let's promote it widely this year :)
 855 Apr 17 23:42:23 <annguyen>	pockeylam: which goodies are cheaper than others?
 856 Apr 17 23:42:23 <pockeylam>	seems a lot of people don't know about it
 857 Apr 17 23:42:30 <annguyen>	stickers i suppose?
 858 Apr 17 23:42:34 <pockeylam>	annguyen, cheapest is balloons
 859 Apr 17 23:42:37 <cdrigby>	kjcole: good idea. Perhaps if we can come up with the graphics team resources, we could provide a label image, and it could be amenable to localization itself. Then the local SFD group could download the appropriate localized distro.
 860 Apr 17 23:42:43 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, not super easy. :) There was lots on the page including mocked up T-shirts but nothing that shouted out "take me to the T-shirt printers".
 861 Apr 17 23:42:44 <verow>	stickers are cheap
 862 Apr 17 23:42:44 <pockeylam>	then stickers
 863 Apr 17 23:43:12 <BLUG_Fred>	ok so goodies priority is based on team feedbacks and necessity: 1. tshirts 2. CDs then.. depends on how much fund we raise
 864 Apr 17 23:43:31 <Mike_UK>	What about iron on transfers of the T-shirt designs? Then teams could get T-shirts and iron on the design?
 865 Apr 17 23:43:42 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, +1
 866 Apr 17 23:43:46 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: good feedback. it's really a marketing angle. 
 867 Apr 17 23:44:02 <verow>	+1 Mike_UK
 868 Apr 17 23:44:12 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: yes.. that's a brilliant idea. should be cheaper and lighter
 869 Apr 17 23:44:30 <lumjjb>	Mike_UK: +1
 870 Apr 17 23:44:32 <Mike_UK>	\o/
 871 Apr 17 23:44:46 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, +1 we can explore this options
 872 Apr 17 23:44:54 <kjcole>	Also a possibility: A template for small business cards (with a space for local info) or the like, to be inserted into CD slip covers, or just handed out.
 873 Apr 17 23:45:42 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: which organization would you put on that business card? the issue i see is that many many different communities organized SFD and they will want to keep their own identity
 874 Apr 17 23:46:01 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: and for the others they are not affiliates with us (SFI)
 875 Apr 17 23:46:04 <rjian>	pins also
 876 Apr 17 23:46:29 <lumjjb>	rjian, hmm what kind of pins are you refering to?
 877 Apr 17 23:46:34 <kjcole>	BLUG_Fred: No business.  Just a card that says "Software Freedom Day 2011" and has space for where to get in touch with the local geeks.
 878 Apr 17 23:46:49 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: again i think giving business card with information on how to get support or find out more should be done at any FOSS event
 879 Apr 17 23:46:51 <LeandroNunes_br>	so, here we'll make mugs, with SFD logo on one side and a really big QR-code on the other side...
 880 Apr 17 23:47:00 <LeandroNunes_br>	are cheap here
 881 Apr 17 23:47:08 <cdrigby>	all: maybe as much flexibility as possible in terms of supporting local SFD groups is in order? Those w/ slow 'Net access and/or minimal funds can get "hard items". Those with decent local resources/'Net speed can download and create physical items locally? It might not seem far to some, I suppose...
 882 Apr 17 23:47:14 <rjian>	pin button
 883 Apr 17 23:47:15 <rjian>	:)
 884 Apr 17 23:47:45 <pockeylam>	rjian, from the team leader survey, it seems that they are interested in pins
 885 Apr 17 23:47:46 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: i think even within the US access to good Internet can be difficult
 886 Apr 17 23:47:59 <LeandroNunes_br>	yes, pin buttons only with the logo, can be reusable across the years, right ?
 887 Apr 17 23:48:05 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, bcard: agreed.
 888 Apr 17 23:48:06 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, they are nice to have.
 889 Apr 17 23:48:44 <BLUG_Fred>	rjian: anything after tshirts and CD is based on funds availability 
 890 Apr 17 23:48:44 <pockeylam>	team prefer: 1) tshirts 2) dvds / cds 3) stickers
 891 Apr 17 23:48:49 <Mike_UK>	LeandroNunes_br, +1
 892 Apr 17 23:48:50 <pockeylam>	yes :)
 893 Apr 17 23:48:52 <BLUG_Fred>	rjian: and prioritized according to survey
 894 Apr 17 23:49:15 <BLUG_Fred>	so now that we have a great alternative for Tshirts, we might be able to send other stuff
 895 Apr 17 23:49:46 <BLUG_Fred>	I think if we can, pins or button badges with "Please ask me about Software Freedom" would be nice
 896 Apr 17 23:49:52 <BLUG_Fred>	that's a clear message and resuable
 897 Apr 17 23:49:57 <BLUG_Fred>	reusable
 898 Apr 17 23:50:22 <annguyen>	I think that ballons are the best reusable goodies
 899 Apr 17 23:50:23 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, the FSF have similar pins.
 900 Apr 17 23:50:28 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: that a great idea
 901 Apr 17 23:50:30 <kjcole>	Oops. I haven't been watching the time.  Gotta run.  I'll try to catch up with the log or notes or whatever...  Ta-ta.
 902 Apr 17 23:50:30 <annguyen>	banner as well
 903 Apr 17 23:50:42 <Mike_UK>	annguyen, balloons? do you let them down afterwards?
 904 Apr 17 23:50:44 <pockeylam>	annguyen, +1 i like balloons too...
 905 Apr 17 23:50:47 <rjian>	pockeylam, yup in PH when we celebrate SFD we usually look for sponsors to create a customized PINS
 906 Apr 17 23:50:53 <LeandroNunes_br>	to have more "Software Freedom" ambassors (is it correct) ?
 907 Apr 17 23:50:57 <annguyen>	Mike_UK: yeah
 908 Apr 17 23:51:02 <pockeylam>	rjian, we will produce pins if we have enough money :)
 909 Apr 17 23:51:05 <BLUG_Fred>	kjcole: ok thanks a lot
 910 Apr 17 23:51:07 <cdrigby>	kjcole: have a good one!
 911 Apr 17 23:51:09 <Mike_UK>	annguyen, wow.
 912 Apr 17 23:51:10 *	kjcole (~kjcole@ubuntu/member/kjcole) has left #sfd-marketing ("Konversation terminated!")
 913 Apr 17 23:51:15 <rjian>	pockeylam, hehe ok
 914 Apr 17 23:51:17 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: i didn't know. are they that engaging?
 915 Apr 17 23:51:23 <annguyen>	we won;t cost the Earth :-)
 916 Apr 17 23:51:44 <annguyen>	stickers are awesome and meaningful
 917 Apr 17 23:51:58 <annguyen>	but we'll have to give them away to the participants
 918 Apr 17 23:52:17 <Mike_UK>	BLUG_Fred, maybe not.
 919 Apr 17 23:52:29 <BLUG_Fred>	ok. I suggest we end the meeting soon. We covered a lot of stuff and it was only the first meeting
 920 Apr 17 23:52:39 <annguyen>	BLUG_Fred: yes
 921 Apr 17 23:52:46 <BLUG_Fred>	it's been almost 2 hours
 922 Apr 17 23:52:47 <verow>	yes BLUG_Fred
 923 Apr 17 23:52:51 <pockeylam>	so far, from the survey, we will most likely produce tshirts (iron stickers) , stickers
 924 Apr 17 23:52:51 <BLUG_Fred>	and we're starting to lose some
 925 Apr 17 23:53:01 <annguyen>	so first things first
 926 Apr 17 23:53:02 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: yes, i have to go in a couple of minutes
 927 Apr 17 23:53:06 <pockeylam>	so we can leave other items for next meeting
 928 Apr 17 23:53:13 <BLUG_Fred>	and CD only for needing teams
 929 Apr 17 23:53:15 <verow>	ok pockeylam
 930 Apr 17 23:53:22 <pockeylam>	and i will send out meeting notes for next time
 931 Apr 17 23:53:40 <Mike_UK>	What about more info on, and help for, teams to produce their own SFD branded stuff? Like info on glabels for stickers.
 932 Apr 17 23:53:41 <BLUG_Fred>	so next meeting we need someone else to take notes
 933 Apr 17 23:54:12 <verow>	thanks everybody and bfn :-)
 934 Apr 17 23:54:17 <BLUG_Fred>	Mike_UK: yes we need to work on promoting self production of stuff
 935 Apr 17 23:54:28 <Mike_UK>	good meeting. Thanks everyone.
 936 Apr 17 23:54:48 <cdrigby>	BLUG_Fred, Mike_UK: agreed on local production.
 937 Apr 17 23:54:53 <cdrigby>	Thanks all. Fun meeting!
 938 Apr 17 23:55:00 <pockeylam>	can we do one meeting one person?
 939 Apr 17 23:55:04 <BLUG_Fred>	we can pick one person per meeting for the notes
 940 Apr 17 23:55:06 <pockeylam>	e.g. i take note this time
 941 Apr 17 23:55:06 <lumjjb>	great meeting
 942 Apr 17 23:55:09 <rjian>	:)
 943 Apr 17 23:55:13 <LeandroNunes_br>	BLUG_Fred: it's a good task to meet people and have a non-tech teamwork :)
 944 Apr 17 23:55:16 <lumjjb>	covered a lot =)
 945 Apr 17 23:55:20 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: sure. I'll do notes next time.
 946 Apr 17 23:55:25 <pockeylam>	cdrigby, nice :)
 947 Apr 17 23:55:27 <LeandroNunes_br>	I agree with "self-production"
 948 Apr 17 23:55:27 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, you always taking the fun jobs! ;)
 949 Apr 17 23:55:34 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: thanks
 950 Apr 17 23:55:52 <BLUG_Fred>	we just need to keep track of who does it so we keep if fair
 951 Apr 17 23:56:13 <lumjjb>	btw pockey, can i get your email again
 952 Apr 17 23:56:18 <lumjjb>	forgot to note it down
 953 Apr 17 23:56:30 <BLUG_Fred>	a lot of the stuff we do easily in organizing SFD events is difficult for first timers and student specially
 954 Apr 17 23:56:31 <pockeylam>	lumjjb, pockey(at)softwarefreedomday(dot)org
 955 Apr 17 23:56:39 <lumjjb>	ok great. thanks
 956 Apr 17 23:56:40 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, haha
 957 Apr 17 23:56:43 <cdrigby>	tech query: do we have the log of this meeting?
 958 Apr 17 23:56:53 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: yes
 959 Apr 17 23:56:59 <annguyen>	we all have :-)
 960 Apr 17 23:57:08 <LeandroNunes_br>	haha :)
 961 Apr 17 23:57:08 <BLUG_Fred>	cdrigby: we usually upload it to the wiki
 962 Apr 17 23:57:10 <annguyen>	just about where to upload
 963 Apr 17 23:57:13 <pockeylam>	BLUG_Fred, i will post the log this time
 964 Apr 17 23:57:22 <pockeylam>	whoever take notes, post the log in the meeting notes :)
 965 Apr 17 23:57:23 <BLUG_Fred>	it goes in the meeting minute page
 966 Apr 17 23:57:39 <pockeylam>	i will log it here later : http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm/2011-04-17
 967 Apr 17 23:57:45 <cdrigby>	Cool.
 968 Apr 17 23:57:50 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok
 969 Apr 17 23:58:02 <pockeylam>	and all the meeting notes automatically log here http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/MarketingCommittee/mm
 970 Apr 17 23:58:11 <BLUG_Fred>	well thank you everyone. This meeting is officially over
 971 Apr 17 23:58:13 <rjian>	agree
 972 Apr 17 23:58:14 <cdrigby>	ok
 973 Apr 17 23:58:16 <pockeylam>	thanks!
 974 Apr 17 23:58:23 <BLUG_Fred>	we'll meet again on May 1st at 1400UTC
 975 Apr 17 23:58:29 <annguyen>	good night pockeylam BLUG_Fred
 976 Apr 17 23:58:31 <pockeylam>	 * Next meeting 1st May UTC 1400 and <cdrigby> will take note for next meeting (thanks cdrigby) :)
 977 Apr 17 23:58:31 <annguyen>	ok
 978 Apr 17 23:58:32 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, we'll receive notifications about the new mailing lists that we are being added ?
 979 Apr 17 23:58:38 <pockeylam>	LeandroNunes_br, right :)
 980 Apr 17 23:58:38 <annguyen>	May 1st 14UTC
 981 Apr 17 23:58:38 <cdrigby>	Good <insert your time of day here>, everyone!
 982 Apr 17 23:58:39 <BLUG_Fred>	this was a really productive meeting. thanks a lot
 983 Apr 17 23:58:43 <cdrigby>	See you in two weeks.
 984 Apr 17 23:58:44 <BLUG_Fred>	LeandroNunes_br: yes
 985 Apr 17 23:58:53 <pockeylam>	very nice meeting guys and gals :) thank you!
 986 Apr 17 23:58:54 <LeandroNunes_br>	ok, right
 987 Apr 17 23:58:57 <rjian>	nice,,
 988 Apr 17 23:59:05 <cdrigby>	pokeylam: Glad to help!
 989 Apr 17 23:59:08 <cdrigby>	Ciao
 990 Apr 17 23:59:08 <Mike_UK>	thanks everyone.
 991 Apr 17 23:59:10 <lumjjb>	Alright, thanks guys.
 992 Apr 17 23:59:11 <LeandroNunes_br>	thanks!
 993 Apr 17 23:59:11 <BLUG_Fred>	Action items are stated clearly and it's easy to ping people for their tasks
 994 Apr 17 23:59:14 <LeandroNunes_br>	by
 995 Apr 17 23:59:14 <annguyen>	lumjjb: I'll send you an email soon :-)
 996 Apr 17 23:59:16 <lumjjb>	cya on the 1st
 997 Apr 17 23:59:21 <annguyen>	cya
 998 Apr 17 23:59:27 <lumjjb>	annguyen: :) cya
 999 Apr 17 23:59:32 <lumjjb>	good night!
1000 Apr 17 23:59:33 <LeandroNunes_br>	bye
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1002 Apr 18 00:00:07 <LeandroNunes_br>	nice to meet.. all!
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1004 Apr 18 00:00:12 <Mike_UK>	Tschüss
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1007 Apr 18 00:01:47 <Mike_UK>	pockeylam, bye. :)
1008 Apr 18 00:01:57 <pockeylam>	Mike_UK, haha, bye, i m still writing notes :)
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